Max Madsen in Aurora, IL
Why not keep it stock and take it up to redline? You put all those mods on, and you dont drive the car hard? That makes little to no sense. Driving the stock car hard and babying a modified Evo would produce the same results, so why mod?
So overboosting due to a MBC wouldnt cause damge? The engine running lean due to a bad fuel map from your reflash wouldnt cause damage? I get your point, but I think you have to see Mitsu's side in this case.
So overboosting due to a MBC wouldnt cause damge? The engine running lean due to a bad fuel map from your reflash wouldnt cause damage? I get your point, but I think you have to see Mitsu's side in this case.
I fully understand why mitsu is voiding warranties, but they could at least try a little harder to be more honest about it. I've read numerous posts about people having there warranties voided because of cat-back exhausts...come on now. I'm swapping the fuel pump tonight, if the car still doesn't run, I have no choice but to take it in. If it just so happens the ecu is the culprit, I'm not even going to try to fight it. I had it reflashed and I'm at fault on that one.
well your not necesarilly at fault, you're only problem is that it's going to come out of your pocket. Try giving Schaumburg Mitsubishi a call. Just tell them right out that the car has a reflashed ecu, and I think that they'll be a little bit easier to work with as far as compromising goes. Max Madsen's policy is no ifs ands or buts, so with them you'll be paying no matter what
well your not necesarilly at fault, you're only problem is that it's going to come out of your pocket. Try giving Schaumburg Mitsubishi a call. Just tell them right out that the car has a reflashed ecu, and I think that they'll be a little bit easier to work with as far as compromising goes. Max Madsen's policy is no ifs ands or buts, so with them you'll be paying no matter what
Conclusion if you have mods don't take your car to Shaumburg Mitsubishi. They will question you even if your car is 100% stock.
BTW my 5th gear started grinding 2 weeks later after I got it fixed. Now my clutch is slipping bad and I sure as hell can use a clutch install. You guys think if I take off my TBE and re flash back to stock. I could go to a different Mitsu dealer and complain about how Shaumburg Mitsu sucks and have them fix my gear again and out of bad service have the new dealer do a clutch install for me?
Wait. You put your modified car back to stock, then called the dealership claiming that the car was stock and insisting on a no-questions-asked repair, and wonder why they raised an eyebrow in your direction? And you're surprised that both increasing the horsepower output of the car (the exhaust) and increasing the amount of power you can deliver to the drivetrain (the clutch) might make them void your drivetrain warranty?
You're saying "they're evil for not honoring the warranty", but I'm hearing "I'm not taking responsibility for driving like I'm qualifying every day". Mitsubishi didn't sell you a race car, no matter what the salesman might have implied, and they'll only warranty it for normal use by normal people under normal conditions. By virtue of having modded your car, you've already stepped well outside that "normal people" arena.
Why is it so hard for people to behave like men these days, deal honestly with their dealership, and come to a mutually-satisfactory agreement on how repairs will be handled? If satisfaction can't be had from the dealership directly, work directly with MMNA. And if that fails, and you're certain you're in the right, take legal action. But a lot of what this sounds like is whining that Mitsubishi wouldn't pay for you to play.
It's behavior like I'm reading about here that forces honest people to fight for warranty coverage that they're rightfully entitled to, much like insurance fraud raises rates for the rest of us. Its shameful and juvenile. You could afford the car, and you could pay for the mods; now, pay for what you broke.
(Edit: MasterNater, this isn't directed at you, at least not completely. You've realized that you may be paying for this out of pocket, and are trying to rectify the situation on your own first to avoid it. You'd be foolish not to ask if they'll cover it under warranty, but just understand that you may not have that option. I think putting the car back to stock as a means of diagnosing the problem is a good idea, but putting it back to stock to try and convince the dealership to cover repairs that they wouldn't if they were to see what you had changed still falls under the non-adult behavior I'm talking about above.)
You're saying "they're evil for not honoring the warranty", but I'm hearing "I'm not taking responsibility for driving like I'm qualifying every day". Mitsubishi didn't sell you a race car, no matter what the salesman might have implied, and they'll only warranty it for normal use by normal people under normal conditions. By virtue of having modded your car, you've already stepped well outside that "normal people" arena.
Why is it so hard for people to behave like men these days, deal honestly with their dealership, and come to a mutually-satisfactory agreement on how repairs will be handled? If satisfaction can't be had from the dealership directly, work directly with MMNA. And if that fails, and you're certain you're in the right, take legal action. But a lot of what this sounds like is whining that Mitsubishi wouldn't pay for you to play.
It's behavior like I'm reading about here that forces honest people to fight for warranty coverage that they're rightfully entitled to, much like insurance fraud raises rates for the rest of us. Its shameful and juvenile. You could afford the car, and you could pay for the mods; now, pay for what you broke.
(Edit: MasterNater, this isn't directed at you, at least not completely. You've realized that you may be paying for this out of pocket, and are trying to rectify the situation on your own first to avoid it. You'd be foolish not to ask if they'll cover it under warranty, but just understand that you may not have that option. I think putting the car back to stock as a means of diagnosing the problem is a good idea, but putting it back to stock to try and convince the dealership to cover repairs that they wouldn't if they were to see what you had changed still falls under the non-adult behavior I'm talking about above.)
Last edited by logic; Sep 6, 2007 at 06:42 PM.
Crisis has been averted guys. I put the oem fuel pump back in and the car fired right up. I couldn't be happier right now, except for the fact that I need a new Walbro.
To those who commented on the whole honesty issue with modding and warranty. In no way was I going to try to rip the dealership off. From all the trouble shooting I did, I had the problem pretty much narrowed down to either the fuel pump, the ecu, or something electrical. I thought for sure it would probably be a bad ecu, they would find it had been reflashed, and I would have to pay for a new one. Oh well, I knew getting the ecu reflashed was a risk and I would have taken responsibility. I just didn't want to roll into the dealership with all these mods, or even just the AMS exhaust, and have them tell me the car won't start because of a bad crank position sensor (or some other electrical sensor) and then hear them tell me it won't be covered under warranty because of the exhaust. I have no problem with dealerships voiding warranties for the right reasons. If someone goes in for a mechanical failure on the engine, and they have exhaust, I can see how they justify the "increased power output" caused the engine to fail. Or if a transmission claim gets denied because of an aftermarket clutch. It makes sense to me that the extra clamping force or harsh engagement of aftermarket clutches may have caused a tranny failure. But when I read about people going in to have a syncro in the transmission checked out, and the dealership voided their warranty for exhaust? That's just BS to me.
I appreciate everyone taking time to respond to my thread. I'm just thankful the car is running and I won't be taking the dreaded dealership trip after all.
Nate
To those who commented on the whole honesty issue with modding and warranty. In no way was I going to try to rip the dealership off. From all the trouble shooting I did, I had the problem pretty much narrowed down to either the fuel pump, the ecu, or something electrical. I thought for sure it would probably be a bad ecu, they would find it had been reflashed, and I would have to pay for a new one. Oh well, I knew getting the ecu reflashed was a risk and I would have taken responsibility. I just didn't want to roll into the dealership with all these mods, or even just the AMS exhaust, and have them tell me the car won't start because of a bad crank position sensor (or some other electrical sensor) and then hear them tell me it won't be covered under warranty because of the exhaust. I have no problem with dealerships voiding warranties for the right reasons. If someone goes in for a mechanical failure on the engine, and they have exhaust, I can see how they justify the "increased power output" caused the engine to fail. Or if a transmission claim gets denied because of an aftermarket clutch. It makes sense to me that the extra clamping force or harsh engagement of aftermarket clutches may have caused a tranny failure. But when I read about people going in to have a syncro in the transmission checked out, and the dealership voided their warranty for exhaust? That's just BS to me.
I appreciate everyone taking time to respond to my thread. I'm just thankful the car is running and I won't be taking the dreaded dealership trip after all.
Nate
Wait. You put your modified car back to stock, then called the dealership claiming that the car was stock and insisting on a no-questions-asked repair, and wonder why they raised an eyebrow in your direction? And you're surprised that both increasing the horsepower output of the car (the exhaust) and increasing the amount of power you can deliver to the drivetrain (the clutch) might make them void your drivetrain warranty?
You're saying "they're evil for not honoring the warranty", but I'm hearing "I'm not taking responsibility for driving like I'm qualifying every day". Mitsubishi didn't sell you a race car, no matter what the salesman might have implied, and they'll only warranty it for normal use by normal people under normal conditions. By virtue of having modded your car, you've already stepped well outside that "normal people" arena.
Why is it so hard for people to behave like men these days, deal honestly with their dealership, and come to a mutually-satisfactory agreement on how repairs will be handled? If satisfaction can't be had from the dealership directly, work directly with MMNA. And if that fails, and you're certain you're in the right, take legal action. But a lot of what this sounds like is whining that Mitsubishi wouldn't pay for you to play.
It's behavior like I'm reading about here that forces honest people to fight for warranty coverage that they're rightfully entitled to, much like insurance fraud raises rates for the rest of us. Its shameful and juvenile. You could afford the car, and you could pay for the mods; now, pay for what you broke.
(Edit: MasterNater, this isn't directed at you, at least not completely. You've realized that you may be paying for this out of pocket, and are trying to rectify the situation on your own first to avoid it. You'd be foolish not to ask if they'll cover it under warranty, but just understand that you may not have that option. I think putting the car back to stock as a means of diagnosing the problem is a good idea, but putting it back to stock to try and convince the dealership to cover repairs that they wouldn't if they were to see what you had changed still falls under the non-adult behavior I'm talking about above.)
You're saying "they're evil for not honoring the warranty", but I'm hearing "I'm not taking responsibility for driving like I'm qualifying every day". Mitsubishi didn't sell you a race car, no matter what the salesman might have implied, and they'll only warranty it for normal use by normal people under normal conditions. By virtue of having modded your car, you've already stepped well outside that "normal people" arena.
Why is it so hard for people to behave like men these days, deal honestly with their dealership, and come to a mutually-satisfactory agreement on how repairs will be handled? If satisfaction can't be had from the dealership directly, work directly with MMNA. And if that fails, and you're certain you're in the right, take legal action. But a lot of what this sounds like is whining that Mitsubishi wouldn't pay for you to play.
It's behavior like I'm reading about here that forces honest people to fight for warranty coverage that they're rightfully entitled to, much like insurance fraud raises rates for the rest of us. Its shameful and juvenile. You could afford the car, and you could pay for the mods; now, pay for what you broke.
(Edit: MasterNater, this isn't directed at you, at least not completely. You've realized that you may be paying for this out of pocket, and are trying to rectify the situation on your own first to avoid it. You'd be foolish not to ask if they'll cover it under warranty, but just understand that you may not have that option. I think putting the car back to stock as a means of diagnosing the problem is a good idea, but putting it back to stock to try and convince the dealership to cover repairs that they wouldn't if they were to see what you had changed still falls under the non-adult behavior I'm talking about above.)
Also I'm pleased to see that a thread has gone this long without some chucklehead yammering on about 'magnersun-mass or magnurses-monson' or whatever that thingy law is that 'the dealers have to prove your part caused the failure!'.
As for those that think you can drop a car back to stock and nobody will notice, good luck. You'd notice if someone **** in your bed and many of those techs are car enthusiasts just like us, they know what to look for as do the people giving the nodd to warranty work.
Also FWIW I've been to Max Madsen in Aurora, I love the service guys there. They've always taken great care of me but have mentioned to me that my car has no powertrain warranty which didn't exactly come as a surprise.
Last edited by Brian; Sep 6, 2007 at 08:31 PM.
Wait. You put your modified car back to stock, then called the dealership claiming that the car was stock and insisting on a no-questions-asked repair, and wonder why they raised an eyebrow in your direction? And you're surprised that both increasing the horsepower output of the car (the exhaust) and increasing the amount of power you can deliver to the drivetrain (the clutch) might make them void your drivetrain warranty?
You're saying "they're evil for not honoring the warranty", but I'm hearing "I'm not taking responsibility for driving like I'm qualifying every day". Mitsubishi didn't sell you a race car, no matter what the salesman might have implied, and they'll only warranty it for normal use by normal people under normal conditions. By virtue of having modded your car, you've already stepped well outside that "normal people" arena.
Why is it so hard for people to behave like men these days, deal honestly with their dealership, and come to a mutually-satisfactory agreement on how repairs will be handled? If satisfaction can't be had from the dealership directly, work directly with MMNA. And if that fails, and you're certain you're in the right, take legal action. But a lot of what this sounds like is whining that Mitsubishi wouldn't pay for you to play.
It's behavior like I'm reading about here that forces honest people to fight for warranty coverage that they're rightfully entitled to, much like insurance fraud raises rates for the rest of us. Its shameful and juvenile. You could afford the car, and you could pay for the mods; now, pay for what you broke.
(Edit: MasterNater, this isn't directed at you, at least not completely. You've realized that you may be paying for this out of pocket, and are trying to rectify the situation on your own first to avoid it. You'd be foolish not to ask if they'll cover it under warranty, but just understand that you may not have that option. I think putting the car back to stock as a means of diagnosing the problem is a good idea, but putting it back to stock to try and convince the dealership to cover repairs that they wouldn't if they were to see what you had changed still falls under the non-adult behavior I'm talking about above.)
You're saying "they're evil for not honoring the warranty", but I'm hearing "I'm not taking responsibility for driving like I'm qualifying every day". Mitsubishi didn't sell you a race car, no matter what the salesman might have implied, and they'll only warranty it for normal use by normal people under normal conditions. By virtue of having modded your car, you've already stepped well outside that "normal people" arena.
Why is it so hard for people to behave like men these days, deal honestly with their dealership, and come to a mutually-satisfactory agreement on how repairs will be handled? If satisfaction can't be had from the dealership directly, work directly with MMNA. And if that fails, and you're certain you're in the right, take legal action. But a lot of what this sounds like is whining that Mitsubishi wouldn't pay for you to play.
It's behavior like I'm reading about here that forces honest people to fight for warranty coverage that they're rightfully entitled to, much like insurance fraud raises rates for the rest of us. Its shameful and juvenile. You could afford the car, and you could pay for the mods; now, pay for what you broke.
(Edit: MasterNater, this isn't directed at you, at least not completely. You've realized that you may be paying for this out of pocket, and are trying to rectify the situation on your own first to avoid it. You'd be foolish not to ask if they'll cover it under warranty, but just understand that you may not have that option. I think putting the car back to stock as a means of diagnosing the problem is a good idea, but putting it back to stock to try and convince the dealership to cover repairs that they wouldn't if they were to see what you had changed still falls under the non-adult behavior I'm talking about above.)
I am pretty sure that Mitsu knows a lot of IX's have 5th gear grinding issues. Theres numerous threads of ppl on here who had the same problem with less than 2,000 miles on there IX. I even called a service manager from a different dealer and I told him I have a TBE. He said take it to a near by dealer and they should fix my car even with the exhaust on. Mitsu dealers are BS compared to other car manufactures. For example if this happened to a certified BMW I'm pretty sure it would have gotten fixed no problem. Even Ford warranty's cars with after market parts.
Bottom line is I took my bone stock Evo to a Mitsu dealer and got the cold shoulder for a problem I didn't cause. Yes they fixed it but it got f''d up 2 weeks later. They fixed the syncro and not the actual gear. So the same messed up 5th gear messed up the new syncro. They went through all the time of pulling out my tranny and they couldn't fix a single gear properly.
Someone had the same problem on here with there Vlll and his friendly Mitsu dealer fixed it for him. Plus they recommended he buy a after market clutch for his car and installed it for him free of charge.
If you go to Shaumburg Mitsubishi and take a spin through the back parking lot. You will see employee's Evos with AMS FMIC and exhausts on them. I'm pretty sure they get there own Evos warrantied.
I'm left with a 5th gear that grinds. After going through the head ache of getting it fixed.
Last edited by beemerfreak; Sep 6, 2007 at 08:33 PM.
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