Which driving mode causes least wear on TC-SST?
Sep 21, 2010, 11:08 AM
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Seriously though, I want to see something definitive. Not just some dude saying "I can feel it". I'm looking for factual information as to what the real difference is between the 3 modes in manual mode.
When reading any documentation from Mitsubishi, including all the TSB's for the SST, they always explain what the differences are between modes in automatic mode. But nowhere do they ever explain the differences between them in manual mode. And everyone here knows that the way the transmission shifts in normal auto mode, vs normal manual mode, are two completely different worlds. In manual mode, normal brings about a harder, quicker shift than the smoothness of the shifts in auto-normal. But then, I feel no harder shift shocks in sport-normal.
Sep 21, 2010, 11:20 AM
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What are your references for this information? Or is it just your placebo'd buttdyno?
Seriously though, I want to see something definitive. Not just some dude saying "I can feel it". I'm looking for factual information as to what the real difference is between the 3 modes in manual mode.
When reading any documentation from Mitsubishi, including all the TSB's for the SST, they always explain what the differences are between modes in automatic mode. But nowhere do they ever explain the differences between them in manual mode. And everyone here knows that the way the transmission shifts in normal auto mode, vs normal manual mode, are two completely different worlds. In manual mode, normal brings about a harder, quicker shift than the smoothness of the shifts in auto-normal. But then, I feel no harder shift shocks in sport-normal.
Seriously though, I want to see something definitive. Not just some dude saying "I can feel it". I'm looking for factual information as to what the real difference is between the 3 modes in manual mode.
When reading any documentation from Mitsubishi, including all the TSB's for the SST, they always explain what the differences are between modes in automatic mode. But nowhere do they ever explain the differences between them in manual mode. And everyone here knows that the way the transmission shifts in normal auto mode, vs normal manual mode, are two completely different worlds. In manual mode, normal brings about a harder, quicker shift than the smoothness of the shifts in auto-normal. But then, I feel no harder shift shocks in sport-normal.
What I noticed on my MR
D normal it shifts to 6th by the time you hit 40-45 slow revs too thats one program i managed 260-300 miles per tank in this mode.
next program sport d- holds shifts higher to 7k, keeps each gear longer till higher rpm, at 40-45 im in 3rd now ready for a wot. i usualy range 130-150 miles per tank.
final program d ssport- only tried it once, didnt like it because it kept the revs in the red full time. great ptob for autocross.
paddle shifting normal, sport, ssport all feels the same to me, i think???
Sep 21, 2010, 11:30 AM
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What I noticed on my MR
D normal it shifts to 6th by the time you hit 40-45 slow revs too thats one program i managed 260-300 miles per tank in this mode.
next program sport d- holds shifts higher to 7k, keeps each gear longer till higher rpm, at 40-45 im in 3rd now ready for a wot. i usualy range 130-150 miles per tank.
final program d ssport- only tried it once, didnt like it because it kept the revs in the red full time. great ptob for autocross.
paddle shifting normal, sport, ssport all feels the same to me, i think???
D normal it shifts to 6th by the time you hit 40-45 slow revs too thats one program i managed 260-300 miles per tank in this mode.
next program sport d- holds shifts higher to 7k, keeps each gear longer till higher rpm, at 40-45 im in 3rd now ready for a wot. i usualy range 130-150 miles per tank.
final program d ssport- only tried it once, didnt like it because it kept the revs in the red full time. great ptob for autocross.
paddle shifting normal, sport, ssport all feels the same to me, i think???
Sep 22, 2010, 12:27 AM
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What I noticed on my MR
D normal it shifts to 6th by the time you hit 40-45 slow revs too thats one program i managed 260-300 miles per tank in this mode.
next program sport d- holds shifts higher to 7k, keeps each gear longer till higher rpm, at 40-45 im in 3rd now ready for a wot. i usualy range 130-150 miles per tank.
final program d ssport- only tried it once, didnt like it because it kept the revs in the red full time. great ptob for autocross.
paddle shifting normal, sport, ssport all feels the same to me, i think???
D normal it shifts to 6th by the time you hit 40-45 slow revs too thats one program i managed 260-300 miles per tank in this mode.
next program sport d- holds shifts higher to 7k, keeps each gear longer till higher rpm, at 40-45 im in 3rd now ready for a wot. i usualy range 130-150 miles per tank.
final program d ssport- only tried it once, didnt like it because it kept the revs in the red full time. great ptob for autocross.
paddle shifting normal, sport, ssport all feels the same to me, i think???
I'm sorry but HOW THE **** ARE YOU GETTING 260-300 ON ONE TANK?
I've been shifting at 2.5k every time, and I'm only getting 160. FML
Sep 22, 2010, 10:35 PM
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Guys, I'm sorry but you're wrong about manual mode. If you can't feel it, I don't know what to tell you.
The difference between super sport and normal on downshifts is completely opposite. Rev out to 5k then down shift in both and tell me you can't tell a major difference. Super Sport rev matches much more aggressively. You don't feel any engine braking in s-sport in manual mode. In normal you do.
At my last track day at PIR, I gained 1-2 seconds per lap going from Sport to Super Sport. The car was much more aggressive in Super Sport. You can feel it grab much quicker. How is it that you guys can't tell the difference here?
The most obvious difference in my car is shifting 2nd to 3rd. In normal, I will almost after fire every time (I need a new tune). In sport and super sport it hasn't done it once.
I'm fairly certain it determines gears differently based on if you're in Normal (known as city mode to mitsu), Sport, or Super Sport. I have no proof of this, but I know it absolutely does that in auto mode, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same thing in sport / s-sport as well since it still needs to determine gears differently based on different types of driving.
The difference between super sport and normal on downshifts is completely opposite. Rev out to 5k then down shift in both and tell me you can't tell a major difference. Super Sport rev matches much more aggressively. You don't feel any engine braking in s-sport in manual mode. In normal you do.
At my last track day at PIR, I gained 1-2 seconds per lap going from Sport to Super Sport. The car was much more aggressive in Super Sport. You can feel it grab much quicker. How is it that you guys can't tell the difference here?
The most obvious difference in my car is shifting 2nd to 3rd. In normal, I will almost after fire every time (I need a new tune). In sport and super sport it hasn't done it once.
I'm fairly certain it determines gears differently based on if you're in Normal (known as city mode to mitsu), Sport, or Super Sport. I have no proof of this, but I know it absolutely does that in auto mode, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same thing in sport / s-sport as well since it still needs to determine gears differently based on different types of driving.
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Sep 23, 2010, 10:10 AM
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No response from Mitsu. I guess that means even they don't know, lol.
Migs, you can tell me all you want that you "feel it", but I still believe there's a potential for placebo effect. I'm a software developer. I write software for electronic devices. Show me, in the programming, that there is a difference in anything, between the modes when shifting manually. If I am wrong, prove me wrong. Don't just tell me I'm wrong. I just want to know which side is right, which is why I called Mitsu. I just don't feel the difference in manual mode.
Migs, you can tell me all you want that you "feel it", but I still believe there's a potential for placebo effect. I'm a software developer. I write software for electronic devices. Show me, in the programming, that there is a difference in anything, between the modes when shifting manually. If I am wrong, prove me wrong. Don't just tell me I'm wrong. I just want to know which side is right, which is why I called Mitsu. I just don't feel the difference in manual mode.
Sep 23, 2010, 10:37 AM
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I too am a software engineer. Not only am I a software engineer but I have a degree from OIT in embedded software engineering.
I wish it was as easy as showing you in the programming. But in reality, that will never ever ever happen. You and I both know that. We may be able to hack it on a hex basis some day, but we will never see the source.
It's not a placebo effect, the difference is there big time. This isn't some mystery. It is easy to prove with tests. Create a system test plan with use case scenarios. If nothing else just for the rev matching. It's as simple as speeding up to 60mph and down shifting in both modes. Watch your mph drop quicker in normal vs s-sport. This is because there is more engine braking in Normal. The whole purpose of s-sport is to have 0 engine braking and to shift as quickly as possible. This keeps the rear wheels from braking free on a track. This is the same effect as heel-toe on a manual engine. Normal doesn't do it for you.
This is so easy to test there shouldn't even be any debate about it.
I wish it was as easy as showing you in the programming. But in reality, that will never ever ever happen. You and I both know that. We may be able to hack it on a hex basis some day, but we will never see the source.
It's not a placebo effect, the difference is there big time. This isn't some mystery. It is easy to prove with tests. Create a system test plan with use case scenarios. If nothing else just for the rev matching. It's as simple as speeding up to 60mph and down shifting in both modes. Watch your mph drop quicker in normal vs s-sport. This is because there is more engine braking in Normal. The whole purpose of s-sport is to have 0 engine braking and to shift as quickly as possible. This keeps the rear wheels from braking free on a track. This is the same effect as heel-toe on a manual engine. Normal doesn't do it for you.
This is so easy to test there shouldn't even be any debate about it.
Sep 23, 2010, 07:50 PM
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Have you guys seen this tsb? Check out what is says about harsh shifting in sport and super sport modes.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/mi...teristics.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/mi...teristics.html
Sep 24, 2010, 02:22 AM
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Guys, I'm sorry but you're wrong about manual mode. If you can't feel it, I don't know what to tell you.
The difference between super sport and normal on downshifts is completely opposite. Rev out to 5k then down shift in both and tell me you can't tell a major difference. Super Sport rev matches much more aggressively. You don't feel any engine braking in s-sport in manual mode. In normal you do.
At my last track day at PIR, I gained 1-2 seconds per lap going from Sport to Super Sport. The car was much more aggressive in Super Sport. You can feel it grab much quicker. How is it that you guys can't tell the difference here?
The most obvious difference in my car is shifting 2nd to 3rd. In normal, I will almost after fire every time (I need a new tune). In sport and super sport it hasn't done it once.
I'm fairly certain it determines gears differently based on if you're in Normal (known as city mode to mitsu), Sport, or Super Sport. I have no proof of this, but I know it absolutely does that in auto mode, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same thing in sport / s-sport as well since it still needs to determine gears differently based on different types of driving.
The difference between super sport and normal on downshifts is completely opposite. Rev out to 5k then down shift in both and tell me you can't tell a major difference. Super Sport rev matches much more aggressively. You don't feel any engine braking in s-sport in manual mode. In normal you do.
At my last track day at PIR, I gained 1-2 seconds per lap going from Sport to Super Sport. The car was much more aggressive in Super Sport. You can feel it grab much quicker. How is it that you guys can't tell the difference here?
The most obvious difference in my car is shifting 2nd to 3rd. In normal, I will almost after fire every time (I need a new tune). In sport and super sport it hasn't done it once.
I'm fairly certain it determines gears differently based on if you're in Normal (known as city mode to mitsu), Sport, or Super Sport. I have no proof of this, but I know it absolutely does that in auto mode, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same thing in sport / s-sport as well since it still needs to determine gears differently based on different types of driving.
PLEASE BE SPECIFIC- IN MANUAL/PADDLE OR IN D/AUTOMATIC??
