Noble M12's dont really fit his 50K price range

 

He got his used for $54,000 USD, it is within that $50,000 price range, look at it this way. If you spend $50,000 on a pos corvette, then you are going to have to put some money into it just to make it "track worthy". Suspension upgrades, exhaust, intake, etc.. The noble already comes ready.

edit: for used I mean 315 miles on it.. immaculate condition. (driven only 2 weekends to go to a car show and back)

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...554079489&rd=1

$47,000 USD
I guess since you have alot of money, you could just pay for the $3000 to have it shipped over here.. or try to find one already here.

 

A new Noble with the engine and gearbox installed is at least $80,000.

 

yeah, I saw an advertisement in GRM for them... $60k without engine and drivetrain....

n

 

The problem is the last part: finding the right driver. But you are completely right. Being that right driver is, however, a BIG if.

 

I couldn't agree more about the "momentum" part of a miata. If you translate that "momentum", it means smoothness. To drive a miata fast, you have to be a great driver. And like all great drivers out there, they all have one thing in common: smoothness.

If you have time, read the comment I made about the miata.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ighlight=az3ar

 

All you guys who are suggesting building a track car from the ground up have probably never built a “real” racecar yourselves. The cost of doing it properly is absurdly expensive. Much better to buy a car that’s already been prepped by a pro. These things cost a fortune to build but don’t hold their value well at all.


Exactly! Let me give you an example. Chuck Stickley builds the fastest E36 M3’s in North America…he’s got the contract to build S52’s and S54’s for BMW Team PTG. His two B-Mod E46 M3 Lightweights are literally the fastest cars in BMW CCA Club Racing. He’s selling one of his cars for $60,000 but I know that he’s be willing to let it go for less…you could probably get it for $50-55,000.

There’s just NO comparison between a $30K 3200 lbs street car with a few thousand in mods and something like this. Building an Evo to beat the Stickley car with equivalent reliability would run God knows how much.

If this is a dedicated track car, why not buy a real racer? Besides, lapping gets a little stale after a while. Eventually, you’ll probably want to race the car in some series. Buying a car that’s already built for BMW CCA or PCA club racing, for example, will open up a whole world of racing opportunities.

Emre

 

But then, in your case here, we are talking corporate sponsorship and pro-racing team support just to maintain the bloody vehicle.

 

Not at all! Stickley's M3 would be FAR more reliable than an Evo with tons of power mods. Most BMW CCA club racers build their cars once and spend several seasons racing them. The drivetrains are bullet-proof and the rest of the car is very basic. Reliablilty is not a major issue.

Emre

 

Really enjoyed reading your posts about roadracing. Even though the evo is no drag car many I know are going to the track on weekends and having fun that way. I guess Im torn between drag racing and road racing. One tears up the clutch while the other seems like it wears on just about the whole car. On a typical Road Atlanta track day it is 4 30 min. sessions for two days. I know why get the car if I am going to drive it like my minivan. Recently I did go around the track with JasonS and yes he is as fast as any other car out there in advanced class with no engine modifications. Running about the same times as the vipers and zo6. We did see a new rx 8 get totalled when it hit the wall. Kinda scared me a bit especially when I keep a car cover on my car even when it is in the garage and always park it about a mile from anyone else. May need to look at tracks with larger run off areas since I have no track exp.

 

Yea, I think everyone here knows what you are talking about. First time out on the track, seeing everyone blasting by, engine roaring by, tires-screaming for help, tire smoke everywhere. Yup, certainly get your heart pumping, doesn't it? But your heart is certainly telling you something that gets your attention: FEAR. Don't get me wrong. Fear is certainly good for you. It keeps your head clear and steers you away from harms way. I don't think I have known many pro-drivers who don't have fear. If they tell you so, they are lying.

But my point is, if blasting around the track scares you a bit, then you should start slow and easy, i.e. like starting out in an AutoX event, instead of a full blown Club circuit track event. Start out small in a parking lot in an AutoX event and learn all the basic car control, dynamics, racing lines etc.

Coz if you don't, once you get out there and you made a mistake coming into a corner too hot and run wide, spins, lose control, run off track at 80-100 mph. there isn't really anything you can do except close you eyes, bite your teeth and hang on tight for your dear life.

So...start slow and easy. Move your way up.

 

Nice point TriCycle. It sure does put fear into you. Good advice about autocross and I will look into it . Have read about great drivers getting there teeth from these ranks. Still thinking drag racing at a proper venue might be a bit safer.

 

Rook, I went from drag racing for about 7 years (DSMs and my Evo MR) to now Auto-X, and it was a great transition. I got about as good as I could get when it came to launching and shifting quickly, but I had no clue about braking and handling. After two auto-x events, I am very comfortable with how the car performs, and am actually aware of the car's limits, whereas before, I had no clue from regular street driving. I had tried to take some corners or exit ramps fast, but nothing compared to the tire-squealing and bullish understeer I experienced when making mistakes on the auto-x course. I will continue to do auto-x every other week until September, when I will be doing my first road racing event. It's not a competition, but rather a weekend event that includes instruction, so I think it will be another great transition. I would NOT want to try out the road racing without having done the auto-x for a while, though. The auto-x experience is invaluable...

 

i made the jump from pure street driver to the track (in the rain none the less) and was actually pretty good at it. not saying the auto-x background won't help ya, but the track is a completely different machine. as long as you have knowledge of racing lines and such, you should be ok. just start slowly and work your way up to the limits of the car.