http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=19403

Although, i dont know if he competes with NASA TT, or if its his friend. Either way, i dont like the look of it. It is pretty funny that after all his bragging, he didnt know that "Battery replacement/lightweight battery/dry cell" is a no-points mod.

 

pwnd....

 

+1 for trying
-1 for not reading the rules
=zero

 

Haha what a waste of time.

 

This isn't as big a deal as a certain TTS Audi at Nationals that was running waaay more hp than what he should've been, got protested, and dq'ed. There are many that cheat in some way. Some big, some just a little. Most that do it will never admit they knowingly did it though.

 

Although sadly he did claim to cheat and showed a lack of better judgement to post it on the internet, he does bring up a good point. The relocation of ballast on cars to allow them to meet the minium weight, using the alternate weight saving method, is an issue. One that tends to favor cars that are race prepped and trailer queens, more than daily driven street cars. You have to wonder if not allowing the alternate weight savings method in classes TTA and downwards would be a benefit to all ... and we don't really know the author's real intent of the post on the VW forums ... was it done in honesty or was it done to sensationalize and showoff ... regardless isn't the title of this thread a bit misleading? In the end he didn't really cheat

 

Yeah, I heard there was an Audi that went to get dyno'ed at a shop known for its stingy dyno only to be found to be making maybe one or two too many hp.

 

Here are part of the rules that covers this situation:

- The overriding rule regarding car classification will be, as written in Section 3, “…penalties for non-compliance with the rules will be harsh, and may include disqualification and expulsion from further NASA TT competition with a single infraction, regardless of the nature of the infraction.” Blatant lying and cheating will not be tolerated, and will result in expulsion from further NASA TT competition or suspension followed by classification in an unlimited class for any future events.


- Drivers are encouraged to seek the advice of their Regional TT Directors (or National TT Director) for any questions about the classification and modification points rules pertaining to their vehicles, prior to competition. If a question still remains, the driver should request an inspection of the car or the parts in question by the TT Director for clarification, and assistance with appropriate vehicle classification.

There are many solid arguments against those 2 individuals. Ill quote a portion of one of them: "He confessed clearly that their intention was to cheat. His illustration proves that they were methodical, and their reasoning was deliberate, ie their intention (flat out) was to cheat. They even went as far as attempting to conceal their cheat with some "gutted wall display battery.""

His various arguments, including ballast, are nothing more than a smoke screen. Its his sad attempt to shift the attention of their cheating mentality.

 

Who cares he's driving an infinity. It weighs like 5000lbs anyway.

 

Who cares? Considering this was brought to everyones attention on the NASA forum, i know that a lot of people care, including myself. What has rubbed everyone the wrong way is how this individual bragged about it, and then alienated those who abide by the rules. Here is one of his sad attempts as a rebuttal. He is clearly attempting to shift the attention off of their cheating mentality.

We're not racing for money or trophys, James. We've never won one and it's probably that we never will. We don't take it that seriously. Nor do 98% of the people we race with. We go to these events to become better drivers and see how far we can push the limits of the vehicle. We also do it for the camaraderie and to make new friends and learn about other drivers and vehicles. The people that whine about the rules and complain that certain individuals are in the wrong class are the ones hanging out by themselves. They're the ones taking it way too seriously. We're not solving world hunger or coming up with a cure for cancer--we're running a course against the clock. If someone wants to protest weight savings that constitutes 0.2% of the mass of the car, feel free. It's simple to change back. I surely wouldn't be such a whiner about it. I'd try to hone my skills and improve my driving to beat that person who bested my time. And that's exactly what we do. We log tire temps, we make alignment, swaybar, and damping rate tweaks, we look at in-car videos of the track to see where we made mistakes, we make sure the car is in perfect running condition before and after every session. Do you really think a 16 pound savings is going to make or break our results in a 3500 pound vehicle? Especially when half the time there's a passenger in the car? I guarantee if people started protesting the smallest tweaks, it will ruin the sport. We could easily protest 10 more serious offenses that other drivers execute--but we don't. It's a nasty circle. Not really one that I'd want to go down. We're not racing NASCAR or IRL or F1. We're not racing for our livelihood or even to make enough money to pay for lunch. That's not why we do it. We're looking to have fun with our hobby. If it was such a moral dilema, we'd all be working for the chuch. When you talk to ANY of the guys at the track (whether they are in the same class or not), everyone jokes about the "added features" that they've engineered.

Sorry I brought up this whole topic. I didn't realize that would cause such an uproar from the rules and regulations police. I just threw it out there to show off a little creativity. I'll think twice next time and make sure my posts and my creations are more politically correct.

-Wayne

Heres my translation:

Why the **** is this James guy busting my *****? Everyone else loves my creativity. Im practically a genius. Why cant he just appreciate me like everyone else?

Look James. No one in my region cares about winning. Were just out there having fun. Its all about hanging out with my cool NASA buddies, who are cool just like me, and having fun. But, theres like 1 or 2 losers out here who take this too seriously. Dont be like them, otherwise youll be a loser, and youll end up hanging out by your loser self. People like you will ruin this sport. So just get a life and be like me, or you can go hang out by yourself and be a loner. Bla bla bla bla bla...

Now all of a sudden, since he knows that this has been brought to everyones attention on the NASA forum, he is retracting everything he has said. Im sure there are people out there pushing the rules in a legal and illegal way. But, what has rubbed pretty much everyone in the wrong way is not only what he said in that thread, but how he said it. I seriously doubt anyone would want individuals like this person representing their sport.

 

I know the rules in NASA and I also happens to know the person that came to his defense in the NASA forum (if it is who I think it is). "Bryce" happens to be a very nice and helpful person. I've ran with him on several track and HPDE days. Let me just make it clear that I don't condone cheating but as I said before people tend to sensationalize and blow things way out of proportion on the internet. Regardless, of what our assumptions of his intension were, the fact still remain that it was a legal mod.

Until a infraction is commited you can't cite' someone for that infraction of the rules. You can't cite' someone for the intension to commit an infration, even if they thought of it but never followed through. I'm sure everyone at one point or another has had their mind go down that path, if you didn't you are not human. I can also understand how easy it can be to give in to that little "black magic" that gives your car that added advantage. I personally try to abide by the rules of all the organizations I involve myself with and I can understand the frustration of those who really care about the sport and abide by the rules.

And it still doesn't clear a very big issue, IMHO, with the current rules of NASA that allows the alternative weigh in method. Regardless, I digress ...

 

Bryce may very well be an angel. But i did read what that Wayne individual said in his original thread. That Wayne individual doesnt sound all that nice to me. Ill quote one of the responses:

He confessed clearly that their intention was to cheat. His illustration proves that they were methodical, and their reasoning was deliberate, ie their intention (flat out) was to cheat. They even went as far as attempting to conceal their cheat with some "gutted wall display battery." Beyond all that, he brags about it, and then he alienates those who abide by the rules as people who take things too seriously, and as the ones who are somehow in the wrong.

I dont know "Tom A" from the NASA forum, but i think his response on the bottom of page 2 pretty much sums it up.

http://www.nasaforums.com/viewtopic....r=asc&start=10

 

Btw, if im not mistaken, i think that Bryce individual came to Waynes defense because the car in question is his.