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Dec 6, 2010, 03:52 AM
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F1 Rookie of the Year Award to...
Yup, now U NO I am not alone in my personel choice of one the best F1 drivers in 2010...http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88587...look out for next year IFF Sauber gives him a competitive car.
Later, Ken
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Dec 6, 2010, 06:07 AM
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Refresh my memory... but what did Kobayashi do this season? I remember him from his first drive with Toyota because he was pulling all these big moves. I know he did some this year... but he hasn't left an impression on my mind.
Dec 6, 2010, 06:08 AM
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Everybody wants parity as long as they are the one with the advantage... lol
Dec 6, 2010, 06:21 AM
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About the 1.5 (or 1.6L) engines... I'm starting to feel like this is a joke. I mean F1 cars are supposed to be monsters... the pinnacle of motorsport. Now somebody who buys a $13,000 Ford Fiesta has a larger motor than in the pinnacle of motorsports?
Even as it stands right now... the Junior Leagues for F1 has a larger engine than the Big Leagues. This just doesn't seem right.
I feel the same way about WRC and how they are wanting to keep restricting the engines.
So when these 1.6L engines start generating over 1000hp... what's next? The FIA is gonna mandate teams use 0.5L lawnmower engines???
Even as it stands right now... the Junior Leagues for F1 has a larger engine than the Big Leagues. This just doesn't seem right.
I feel the same way about WRC and how they are wanting to keep restricting the engines.
So when these 1.6L engines start generating over 1000hp... what's next? The FIA is gonna mandate teams use 0.5L lawnmower engines???
Dec 6, 2010, 08:32 AM
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Second, the big moaning and groaning by the fans throughout the year was the races were "boring" and "parade like"...in short, no passing and all the changes coming for '11' R supposed to improve passing and, therefore, the show. Kobay's driving especially at Valencia, when he passed Alonso and other venues demonstrated that passing is possible in the current cars, even driving a slow one, if U have the ***** to do it...Kobay definitely has, as David Hobbs would say, "large attachments"! Kobay is going to be on the podum, at least once, in 2011 and U can take that to the bank.
Later, Ken
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Dec 6, 2010, 08:34 AM
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About the 1.5 (or 1.6L) engines... I'm starting to feel like this is a joke. I mean F1 cars are supposed to be monsters... the pinnacle of motorsport. Now somebody who buys a $13,000 Ford Fiesta has a larger motor than in the pinnacle of motorsports?
Even as it stands right now... the Junior Leagues for F1 has a larger engine than the Big Leagues. This just doesn't seem right.
I feel the same way about WRC and how they are wanting to keep restricting the engines.
So when these 1.6L engines start generating over 1000hp... what's next? The FIA is gonna mandate teams use 0.5L lawnmower engines???
Even as it stands right now... the Junior Leagues for F1 has a larger engine than the Big Leagues. This just doesn't seem right.
I feel the same way about WRC and how they are wanting to keep restricting the engines.
So when these 1.6L engines start generating over 1000hp... what's next? The FIA is gonna mandate teams use 0.5L lawnmower engines???
Later, Ken
Dec 6, 2010, 10:10 AM
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What do you guys think about the new teams, well younger teams like Lotus, Virgin, Hispania? Do you guys think they'll be able to give the mid runners a challange, or they're just going to be like crap just like how the Lotus car look.
Dec 6, 2010, 11:37 AM
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Dec 6, 2010, 01:30 PM
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Ok, we were aware of the engine changes for 2013 season, namely a 1.5L 4 cyl turbocharged engine coupled with KERS (http://www.planetf1.com/news/18227/6...ngines-in-2013). However, there have been some changes increasing the bore slightly to 1.6L producing 600 bhp with another 150 bhp from KERS. These figures R supposed to be the best F1 can do... costing millions of dollars...Is this the best from the "pinnacle of motor sports"?
I say this is pathetic and does not represent the "pinnacle of motorsports" from a performance point of view. If this was the best motor sports can do in two years , then we need to give the nod to AMS motorsports as the best today because they have currently exceeded the 2013 goal of de novo F1 engines using a mass produced engine from Mitsu motors, the 4b11T! Specifically, AMS, with some mod's, now produces 900 hp on pump gas (as opposed to F1's 600hp), from a modified 4B11T engine (http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/a...x_package.html)...yes, the engine displacement is larger than the upcoming F1 engine by 0.7L but so is the hp output significantly larger...in short, it is equal to if not better than the proposed new F1 engines.
One would think, with millions of $$ and higher octane fuels, F1 could do better than a small company like AMS in producing significantly greater performance from a 4 cyl turbo charged mass produced engine
!! However, if this lower power output is an attempt to lower fuel costs, I say this: What about the fuel costs of transporting all the F1 cars to all points of the world ...like from Abu Dabai to Brazil in two weeks...if these power plants R F1's answer to going "green", then they need to rethink the whole process again!!
Later, Ken
I say this is pathetic and does not represent the "pinnacle of motorsports" from a performance point of view. If this was the best motor sports can do in two years , then we need to give the nod to AMS motorsports as the best today because they have currently exceeded the 2013 goal of de novo F1 engines using a mass produced engine from Mitsu motors, the 4b11T! Specifically, AMS, with some mod's, now produces 900 hp on pump gas (as opposed to F1's 600hp), from a modified 4B11T engine (http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/a...x_package.html)...yes, the engine displacement is larger than the upcoming F1 engine by 0.7L but so is the hp output significantly larger...in short, it is equal to if not better than the proposed new F1 engines.
One would think, with millions of $$ and higher octane fuels, F1 could do better than a small company like AMS in producing significantly greater performance from a 4 cyl turbo charged mass produced engine
!! However, if this lower power output is an attempt to lower fuel costs, I say this: What about the fuel costs of transporting all the F1 cars to all points of the world ...like from Abu Dabai to Brazil in two weeks...if these power plants R F1's answer to going "green", then they need to rethink the whole process again!! Later, Ken
Getting 600 horse out of a 1.6 liter is not such an easy task, it is the equivalent of 750 horse out of a 2.0. Then factor in that you are redlining that motor for three 90 minuet practices how ever much qualifying you make it through and then a 2 hour race, and on top of all of that you have to make 7 motors last 20 races. I have yet to ever see a shop such as AMS, Buschur, English, AWD Motorsports ect be able to do anything close to that, and with a small enough turbo to always give instant response.
I think the comparison to an evo motor is ridiculous, I will go on the record and say that if the teams were to use 4b11's built by AMS in F1 at 750 horse, not a single team would be able to make a motor last all weekend. And this is nothing against the motor or AMS, just to show how much i think you are unaware of the stress being put on these motors.
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About the 1.5 (or 1.6L) engines... I'm starting to feel like this is a joke. I mean F1 cars are supposed to be monsters... the pinnacle of motorsport. Now somebody who buys a $13,000 Ford Fiesta has a larger motor than in the pinnacle of motorsports?
Even as it stands right now... the Junior Leagues for F1 has a larger engine than the Big Leagues. This just doesn't seem right.
I feel the same way about WRC and how they are wanting to keep restricting the engines.
So when these 1.6L engines start generating over 1000hp... what's next? The FIA is gonna mandate teams use 0.5L lawnmower engines???
Even as it stands right now... the Junior Leagues for F1 has a larger engine than the Big Leagues. This just doesn't seem right.
I feel the same way about WRC and how they are wanting to keep restricting the engines.
So when these 1.6L engines start generating over 1000hp... what's next? The FIA is gonna mandate teams use 0.5L lawnmower engines???
Think back to the Group B days, there are reasons for going with less power, people were dying. The FIA understands that the cars are getting to fast for there own good, and is slowing them down for purely safety reasons. There is still no motor sport with as much technical innovation as F1 or WRC so until ther4e is a series that can challenge ether on of them they are still the Pinnacles of motor sports.
Dec 7, 2010, 04:10 AM
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The lower power amounts are in attempt to get a motor to last for 2 races. Power is easy to make, getting a motor to last in motorsports such as F1 is a much bigger challenge. If you went to any of F1 motor manufactures and told them to build that same base motor in to a time attack/drag/ or street motor they could make a hell of a lot more power.
Getting 600 horse out of a 1.6 liter is not such an easy task, it is the equivalent of 750 horse out of a 2.0. Then factor in that you are redlining that motor for three 90 minuet practices how ever much qualifying you make it through and then a 2 hour race, and on top of all of that you have to make 7 motors last 20 races. I have yet to ever see a shop such as AMS, Buschur, English, AWD Motorsports ect be able to do anything close to that, and with a small enough turbo to always give instant response.
I think the comparison to an evo motor is ridiculous, I will go on the record and say that if the teams were to use 4b11's built by AMS in F1 at 750 horse, not a single team would be able to make a motor last all weekend. And this is nothing against the motor or AMS, just to show how much i think you are unaware of the stress being put on these motors.
Getting 600 horse out of a 1.6 liter is not such an easy task, it is the equivalent of 750 horse out of a 2.0. Then factor in that you are redlining that motor for three 90 minuet practices how ever much qualifying you make it through and then a 2 hour race, and on top of all of that you have to make 7 motors last 20 races. I have yet to ever see a shop such as AMS, Buschur, English, AWD Motorsports ect be able to do anything close to that, and with a small enough turbo to always give instant response.
I think the comparison to an evo motor is ridiculous, I will go on the record and say that if the teams were to use 4b11's built by AMS in F1 at 750 horse, not a single team would be able to make a motor last all weekend. And this is nothing against the motor or AMS, just to show how much i think you are unaware of the stress being put on these motors.
Later, Ken
Dec 7, 2010, 04:13 AM
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Dec 7, 2010, 06:25 AM
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Bernie is not one of my most respected individuals...However, U got to love his sence of humor!
..http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/.
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Dec 7, 2010, 06:55 AM
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Red Bull and Mark Weber
Based on this (http://www.crash.net/f1/news/165417/..._from_him.html ) Red Bull has two options...put a homing ankle devise on Weber to ensure he does not ride any more bicycles next season 
OR just find another driver for he has lost a lot of credibility at RB.
Later, Ken
OR just find another driver for he has lost a lot of credibility at RB.Later, Ken