404, cheap and affordable rally not found

 

sorry AT&T trouble ... LOL

 

I can't help on that, if you can't see the forest from the tree . LOL

 

Not sure I saw mention of this, but are entry fees for these cars going to be any different? If not...not sure how "cheap" and "rally" are any closer to the average competitor. Rally entry fees typically run from $500-1200 depending on the event.

In the grand scheme of things, an extra seat, harness, and intercom are pretty inconsequential when considering the costs of a race car build.

Dave

 

Nobody ever said the rally is cheap. It is more affordable from now on hopefully, then it was before. What i meant in my title , cheap and affordable rally for everyone , who are racing. Not one rally organization really want rookies alone on stage i am sure about that.
( looks like i should have been more specific, i dont really see though this hype about cheap and affordable... yOu guys thought it will be free??? LOL ) Actually you can call it more affordable, and cheap rally if you choose the Solo one . Why?
Foremost , it probably will cost you as two racing weekend on any TA race or 20 AutoX run> But what a difference will you get from only ONE rally...

So here it is:
As i heard from RNY it will be cheaper for solo category . How much ? I dont know, but it will be.( so as the NASA)
Lime rock cost around 300 per day... if you think about, thrill - learning - experience and stage miles , that is more expensive then ANY rally in the states. Even if you do a rally class (more expensive one)
Basically that is true for all racing around us. $150 if i remember right /day for NJMP, and how much mile you put in the car there on the same course and turns.
I think it was $150 for okemo hill climb and that also doesnt even get close to rally mile's. Mt Washington hill climb was i think $1200....
Autox and drag becomes a scam, if you think about mile vs cost ...



If Kimi Raikonnen said after he tried a rally , he never learned that much in racing before (or something like that) like he did in the first couple of rally events , then must be something there ...
So no, rally is worth the money, specially the thrill and experience you will get there.

Running solo and less stage does makes the rally a cheaper.(besides the cheaper entry fee)
I am sure i dont have to elaborate this more. Specially if you think it through. Like accommodation - food - less stage less - tires - gas etc.
Also mostly they are targeting experienced drivers (hill climbers and if circuit racers) they already have a build car and basically the set up change should be minor , unless they require restrictor plate or different what they have in the car. but that is only a tune. Which i doubt.
So really need to be changed for tarmac? Tires and springs mostly.
Jeremy car should be good for ANY tarmac rally as it is for a new class. Without any change but maybe tires.
I would say no need to worry yet, let see what they will come up with first.
Then we can celebrate or moaning over it.
I'll wait to see what happens. Really doesn't effect this new rule on me, but i am exited to see new guys on the rally. Shouldn't be everybody who owns an EVo ?

 

this sounds like a lot of fun!!

 

Entry fees are of course up to each organizer to set. But for Sandblast Rally, the first event to offer RallySolo, it's $75 to $100 cheaper. So, the earliest possible entry is just $400.

Cheers,
Anders

 

huh...

Welcome here Mr Anders !! I didn't know you are around here

Can you tell this guys little bit more about they worries?

Would be great!!

cheers Rob

if someone , some reason doesn't know who is him , i will let you guys know. (i am sure he doesnt mind it.... LOL )

http://rally.gearboxmagazine.com/2010/02/anders-green/

 

Every once in a while, Rob.

I'll be happy to answer questions, but it's all pretty straightforward. For a lot of the hypothetical situations, the answer is "Well, the guys on motorcycles have been doing it for five years... ask them!"

That was a good interview of me... I hadn't looked at it in a while. It would be nice if more racers got to know their organizers, all around the country.

Anders

 

Oke Here is Walter post (scrutineer for rny) about the TWO tarmac RNY event -rally coming up in 2012. One is in APril which i defn will run and one in august which is 99% i will run unless bigger plans comes through.


"Over the next few days I will be putting together a bulletin for the 2012 RNY tarmac events detailing the requirements for the "hillclimb classes".

We are following the NEHA rules as much as possible. This is a brief summary of what will be different than NEHA rules and all relate to safety and the differences between how a hilclimb is run and how a rally is run. These are required of rally cars.

All cars will require cages meeting NEHA cage rules. To keep things low risk from a cage passes/fails perspective for competitors, only cars that have already been through tech at a NEHA hillclimb and passed in the 12 months leading up to the RNY event will be accepted. There are always extenuating circumstances so I will be the one making exceptions to this and people should contact me well before entering the event if they want to compete and dont meet the previous tech requirement.

All cages must have SFI/FIA approved padding anywhere a helmet may contact the cage. You can but this stuff at http://www.rallylights.com/

Cars must be equipped with a standard first aid kit, spill kit, 1 triangle, spare tire, jack and a tow rope. The first aid kit, spill kit and (pack of 3) triangles are available from http://www.rallylights.com/ . I recommend people share the triangle kits to cut this cost a bit. The total for the first aid kit, spill kit and 3 pack of triangles is $137.14. You can get a tow strap at most auto parts stores and department stores with auto departments. You do not nave to add a tow eye to your car, but you should plan where you would tie the strap on the front and rear if needed and if you have nothing that is strong enough and wont tear up facias, add something. Good tip anyway since Don and I often have trouble hooking the wrecker to cars without risking further damaging facias.

Seats must be 1 piece, mounted in accordance with manufacturers directions and if they dont carry an FIA approval they must have a suitable back brace secured to the chassis or cage.

Restraints: Harnesses must be used; 5-6-7 point SFI up to 3 years from manufacture or FIA before expiration date, and properly installed including suitable attachment points and lead angles. Window nets or arm restraints are required in open cars or if side windows are not closed. SFI/FIA approved FRD (frontal restraint devices) is required. Shoulder harnesses, when adding FRD like Hans have been a particular problem recently because FRD such as the Hans raises the belt at the shoulder at the same time the maximum shoulder harness angle limits with FRD have been reduced.

Competitors will need to wear FIA approved (1986 or 8826-2000) or SFI 3-2A/5 labeled coveralls, or SFI 3-2A/1 coveralls with FIA or SFI labeled long underwear. Gloves, socks and shoes must be flame retardant types but need not carry SFI/FIA labels. No synthetic materials in clothing, shoes or underwear other than Nomex or Carbon-x will be permitted except where the item carries an SFI/FIA label. Balaclavas will be required in all open cockpit cars. Co-drivers do not have to wear gloves.

Tires are pretty open but slicks and cheater slicks are not permitted. RNY follows the FIA rules for tarmac tires here, but we reduced the minimum moulded depth requirement to permit more US available performance tires to be used. This is detailed in a bulletin at http://www.rallynewyork.net/linked/bulletins.pdf. This is as much a practical restriction (because of the conditions on the roads) as it is a public image thing. Hillclimbers will have the same rules applied here as the rally cars.

Co-drivers are strongly recommended but not required. Any aids to navigation are permitted.

I think those are the items that could cost you something over what you have to have for NEHA events."


cheers Rob

 

as the rules news comes in i 'll post them

"Route books for RNY are included in the entry fee. Since hillclimbers wont be competing in a rally championship, no special license needed, just your valid state drivers license.

On another previously discussed subject...

After exchanging some thought with the other organizers of RNY, when I write the bulletin on all this I will not be limiting hillclimb entires to NEHA teched cars as I previously stated. Anyone will be welcome, however anyone who has not had their car (the cage in particular) teched and accepted at a NEHA event or at Mt Washington will be strongly advised to contact me before filling out an entry, so hopefully I can determine if their cage is likely to be accepted at tech. The NEHA rules apply so recent NEHA caged competitors are good and any caged car that ran Mt Washington in 2011 exceeds the NEHA requirements so are good as well. Many other cars probably have good cages too but I know some PHA open cars that came from formula or spec road racing lack the "halo" we require and would not be able to run at RNY."

 

This is really turning into something cool. Running a hillclimb class that the only real restriction are the safety aspects that NEHA follow is pretty great. This open the event up to most any racecar with a "proper" built cage. The rules for cages are in these docs. These are not full "rally" cages that you need but something similar to a Road race cage.

http://hillclimb.org/rules_regs/hill...les/11tech.pdf

 

tha was what i was hoping for. This is how the Hungarian rally really picked up. Let run everybody if they have a safe car on they own category and see what happens.
I love it !
We have drfit cars - old timers- SUV's - ATV's and so on so forth running tarmac and dirt events at a same time but different category!!!
I hope see you there Jeremy! i have a good suprise for the rally NY if it goes through . it is done 90% already