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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 08:11 AM
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cool read. i think if Lotus reactive suspension is legalized and everyone jump on the bandwagon, then RedBull will no longer have an advantage with it's flexing front wing. i think that was the main reason why they dominated last year.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 08:27 AM
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I thought Newey was on record saying he would never work for the Scuderia... Could be wrong though.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 08:40 AM
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why would Newey and Vettel leave RBR when they're with a team that have the talent and resource to win championship. Newey has more money than he can spend and Vettel just wants to win championship.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 11:52 AM
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^ ^^ Agreed. Newey is quite successful where he is at, and previously, he showed disdain for Ferrari, or at least his wife did for Italy. However, there is something about working for the Scuderia to sort of "finish out a career". You guys might not remember, but Adrian Newey had inked a deal with Bobby Rahal to work for Jaguar. Both Rahal and Newey had worked together on the March Indycar in the mid 80's. Ron Dennis was able to woo him back to McLaren, but not for long as Red Bull snatched him up.

Newey likes new challenges. The one thing that might sway Newey to go to Ferrari is if Vettel goes there. Vettel has said that he would like to drive for Ferarri someday. With the new cars/engines slated for 2014, it might make a nice incentive to start with a clean sheet of paper and have Newey build a team around him. Working with Vettel would be reminiscent of Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn, a match made in Formula 1 heaven. Who knows? Stranger things have happened...
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SamsonEvoX
Newey likes new challenges. The one thing that might sway Newey to go to Ferrari is if Vettel goes there. Vettel has said that he would like to drive for Ferarri someday. With the new cars/engines slated for 2014, it might make a nice incentive to start with a clean sheet of paper and have Newey build a team around him. Working with Vettel would be reminiscent of Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn, a match made in Formula 1 heaven. Who knows? Stranger things have happened...
^ this exactly, I do not see Newey or Vettel moving from RBR until 2014 at the earliest with the new regs
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 12:50 PM
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^ This is why I see 2014 as a pivotal year. 2014 will bring about new cars and engines. By 2013, Newey will have been with Red Bull for 8 years. As we have seen previously, no team can continue a winning streak forever. Williams had their day in the sun as has Ferrari with long winning streaks. I actually can see Ferrari removing Stefano Dominecali if things do not improve this year. Getting a new team together in 2013 for the 2014 rules change would be akln as I see it, to the Ferrari team of 1996 with Schumacher, Ross Brawn, Rory Byrne and Jean Todt. Start over with the best.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by honda-guy
why would Newey and Vettel leave RBR when they're with a team that have the talent and resource to win championship. Newey has more money than he can spend and Vettel just wants to win championship.
So on the same token, Grand Supremo Bernie, who has more money than god, isnt out to self aggrandize and enrich himself at the expense of the sport, tracks, fans, teams and soul?
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by honda-guy
cool read. i think if Lotus reactive suspension is legalized and everyone jump on the bandwagon, then RedBull will no longer have an advantage with it's flexing front wing. i think that was the main reason why they dominated last year.
Merc is now copying same (http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/01/16/me...raking-system/) but what is interesting is RB tried this earlier but abandoned it so I wonder what happened...took a wrong path or isn't really that big of a deal/advantage...that said, it would appear to B something since Ferrari and now Merc are copying...also, if RB had trouble making it work the other teams may as well or they won't even try since they do not have the $$ to make changes at this late date.

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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 02:34 PM
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So on the same token, Grand Supremo Bernie, who has more money than god, isnt out to self aggrandize and enrich himself at the expense of the sport, tracks, fans, teams and soul?
just saying that i don't think it's money that Newey is looking for and that's pretty much the only thing that Ferrari has to offer. Bernie on the other hand has his own issues. He's getting old and thinks money and power and buy him time.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 04:33 PM
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just saying that i don't think it's money that Newey is looking for and that's pretty much the only thing that Ferrari has to offer. Bernie on the other hand has his own issues. He's getting old and thinks money and power and buy him time.
It isn't about money. It is about being able to say that you worked for the greatest Formula 1 team ever. Let's face it, Ferrari is the face of F1. Even Bernie E. said so. Ferrari has generally been the most sought after team to drive or work for in the history of the sport. If you do not think so, then why would Vettel say that it would be a dream to drive for Ferrari? Even Hamilton and Button have spoken of driving for Ferrari.

Look at Newey's record:

1. Successful stint at Williams

2. A term with McLaren

3. Successful stint at Red Bull

He seems to go 5 or so years and then it is off to another adventure. This is what keeps guys like him on their toes. He would immense resources at Ferrari and he could build a team around him. And, he is not that old. In fact, I am 6 years older than him and I am still as good at what I do as I was when I was 35. Newey has lots more good years in him.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 04:40 PM
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^ true, we'll just have to wait and see. and i meant Bernie was getting old.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 04:49 PM
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^ I know you meant Bernie and not Newey. What I should have said is that Newey could still have quite a career ahead of him at Ferrari.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 06:18 PM
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if Newey is truly looking for new challenges, he shouldn't be going to Ferrari. I'd like to see him go to an underdog team like Virgin, HRT or Force India and use his talent to turn them around like he did with other teams. i think going to work or drive for Ferrari just to say you did it is lame. i'm not a Ferrari hater, but Newey at Ferrari would just boost their ego even more and i don't want to see that.
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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by honda-guy
if Newey is truly looking for new challenges, he shouldn't be going to Ferrari. I'd like to see him go to an underdog team like Virgin, HRT or Force India and use his talent to turn them around like he did with other teams. i think going to work or drive for Ferrari just to say you did it is lame. i'm not a Ferrari hater, but Newey at Ferrari would just boost their ego even more and i don't want to see that.
He did that with RBR, remember RBR used to be Jaguar and they were definitely not a good team, neither was RBR when they first started, midfielders at best
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by honda-guy
if Newey is truly looking for new challenges, he shouldn't be going to Ferrari. I'd like to see him go to an underdog team like Virgin, HRT or Force India and use his talent to turn them around like he did with other teams. i think going to work or drive for Ferrari just to say you did it is lame. i'm not a Ferrari hater, but Newey at Ferrari would just boost their ego even more and i don't want to see that.
I am a Ferrari hater but totally agree...why go to a team that just forks out the $$ relative to the lower teams?...better to take the "big tuna" Parcells approach...go to the lowest of low and bring them up...what F1 needs now is to either get rid of these teams that R getting lapped, they R not competitive, or have the rules changed to favor the development of same...sort of like the NFL draft...give the first picks to the poorer performing teams and dregs to the best performing teams...by so doing U bring up the lower tiers to the top over time...e.g., let the lower teams have more testing time...for right now, we have a race between 4-5 teams, the rest R out of it...yes, I am restating earlier posts but this issue has, again, raised its ugly head.

Later, Ken
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