Evolution Dynamics Pikes Peak Build
Aug 14, 2012, 07:22 PM
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Gotta challenge a couple of things here. First of all, F1 cars have gone to higher and higher noses, not for safety, but to improve the aerodynamics of the air back to the rear wing. Hence, the ridiculous noses on the cars this year. The FIA mandated a change in design so that the nose would not spear the driver.
And, the NHRA has shortened the course to 1000 ft. for Top Fuel and Funny Car I believe. The speeds were getting ridiculous.
And, the NHRA has shortened the course to 1000 ft. for Top Fuel and Funny Car I believe. The speeds were getting ridiculous.
Old Senna McLaren:
Modern McLaren:
Re: drag racing, a death was a driving reason for shortening the courses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHRA_Fu..._Racing_Series
"On July 2, 2008, following the death of Funny Car driver Scott Kalitta, the NHRA announced that race distances for Top Fuel and Funny Car classes would temporarily be reduced to 1,000 ft from the usual 1/4 mile (1320 ft).[2] The measure was intended to be temporary while safety solutions were explored; however, the races have remained at 1000 feet since Kalitta's death, with no indication by NHRA officials of any intent of returning to the full quarter-mile format any time soon."
Indycar/CART started to think about slowing down the cars when they were hitting 250mph+ at Michigan. Man, remember Alex Zanardi's crash in Germany?
Anyways... it will be interesting to see how Pikes Peak adapts.
Aug 14, 2012, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Grant Hughes
More people have died in the running race than in the driving race. FYI
This year was scary. It went nearly how everyone I talked to expected it to go. It went how we have been talking about it becoming since I first became involved nearly ten years ago. The only thing that everyone predicted that didn't happen thankfully, was that no one died this year.
They need to majorly change classes to restrict power levels in certain classes, novices to the mountain need to be limited in what they can drive. Someone who has only done autocross and/or track days should not be allowed to enter like at least two competitors, Jeremy Foley who's big wreck is well known, and Cody Loveland, who wrecked twice during practice.
Jeremy Foley was lucky. That cage is NASA road racing legal but anyone who has actually looked at pictures of the cage are amazed that they survived. The cage builder is an arrogant *** and when advised of simple additions to the cage by experienced people blew them off with comments like, "I am an engineer" and that they were focused on keeping weight minimal as the primary goal.
I'm just glad no one died and Dave Kern did so amazing! Next year if you want to build an 1000 hp Unlimited car, instead of grabbing your local autocross hotshoe, just recruit the Kerns to win the race for you.
This year was scary. It went nearly how everyone I talked to expected it to go. It went how we have been talking about it becoming since I first became involved nearly ten years ago. The only thing that everyone predicted that didn't happen thankfully, was that no one died this year.
They need to majorly change classes to restrict power levels in certain classes, novices to the mountain need to be limited in what they can drive. Someone who has only done autocross and/or track days should not be allowed to enter like at least two competitors, Jeremy Foley who's big wreck is well known, and Cody Loveland, who wrecked twice during practice.
Jeremy Foley was lucky. That cage is NASA road racing legal but anyone who has actually looked at pictures of the cage are amazed that they survived. The cage builder is an arrogant *** and when advised of simple additions to the cage by experienced people blew them off with comments like, "I am an engineer" and that they were focused on keeping weight minimal as the primary goal.
I'm just glad no one died and Dave Kern did so amazing! Next year if you want to build an 1000 hp Unlimited car, instead of grabbing your local autocross hotshoe, just recruit the Kerns to win the race for you.
WOW!
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Aug 14, 2012, 09:26 PM
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If you run doors with windows, arm restraints and window nets arem't needed.
If you run window nets, glass and arm restraints aren't needed.
If you run arm restraints, glass and window nets aren't needed.
Our local CHCA series does require arm restraints even if you're running windows up, and I think now I can understand why. If the door gets ripped off, you're left on your own to try and pull your arms back in. One of the still shots from ML@S showed Yuri's arm fully extended outside the shell of the car. Luckly he was able to pull that back inside before the next hit!
I'd bet that PP will likley adopt a rule requiring arm restraints or window nets regardless of what's going on with the door/glass. FWIW, I ran with arm restraints and windows down, but after seeing the crash here, I'm thinking I'll run with windows in the future as well.
Dave
Aug 15, 2012, 03:34 AM
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PP Rules say:
If you run doors with windows, arm restraints and window nets arem't needed.
If you run window nets, glass and arm restraints aren't needed.
If you run arm restraints, glass and window nets aren't needed.
Our local CHCA series does require arm restraints even if you're running windows up, and I think now I can understand why. If the door gets ripped off, you're left on your own to try and pull your arms back in. One of the still shots from ML@S showed Yuri's arm fully extended outside the shell of the car. Luckly he was able to pull that back inside before the next hit!
I'd bet that PP will likley adopt a rule requiring arm restraints or window nets regardless of what's going on with the door/glass. FWIW, I ran with arm restraints and windows down, but after seeing the crash here, I'm thinking I'll run with windows in the future as well.
Dave
If you run doors with windows, arm restraints and window nets arem't needed.
If you run window nets, glass and arm restraints aren't needed.
If you run arm restraints, glass and window nets aren't needed.
Our local CHCA series does require arm restraints even if you're running windows up, and I think now I can understand why. If the door gets ripped off, you're left on your own to try and pull your arms back in. One of the still shots from ML@S showed Yuri's arm fully extended outside the shell of the car. Luckly he was able to pull that back inside before the next hit!
I'd bet that PP will likley adopt a rule requiring arm restraints or window nets regardless of what's going on with the door/glass. FWIW, I ran with arm restraints and windows down, but after seeing the crash here, I'm thinking I'll run with windows in the future as well.
Dave
So the results of that , you can see how much the codriver hangs out from the bare shell during the rolls. Speciallhy if you slow it down or watch it frame by frame. That was nothing but a guardian angel who saved him.
Biggest luck in this case he never got his head hit by a rock or the car never actually landed on his head etc.
I dont know how his seat was mounted, but that also can be an issue for a future . Also i love to have these seats vs a normal racing seat designs. I think its not a bad idea to considerit in the future too + the arm restraints, and window up.
ps for dave :
did you see this save latelly (of course Hungarian guys
) mutliple chance to crash none happenned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOqr...ayer_embedded#!
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Aug 15, 2012, 07:43 AM
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I was referring specifically to F1 with the raised bodywork
Old Senna McLaren:
Modern McLaren:
Re: drag racing, a death was a driving reason for shortening the courses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHRA_Fu..._Racing_Series
"On July 2, 2008, following the death of Funny Car driver Scott Kalitta, the NHRA announced that race distances for Top Fuel and Funny Car classes would temporarily be reduced to 1,000 ft from the usual 1/4 mile (1320 ft).[2] The measure was intended to be temporary while safety solutions were explored; however, the races have remained at 1000 feet since Kalitta's death, with no indication by NHRA officials of any intent of returning to the full quarter-mile format any time soon."
Indycar/CART started to think about slowing down the cars when they were hitting 250mph+ at Michigan. Man, remember Alex Zanardi's crash in Germany?
Anyways... it will be interesting to see how Pikes Peak adapts.
Old Senna McLaren:
Modern McLaren:
Re: drag racing, a death was a driving reason for shortening the courses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHRA_Fu..._Racing_Series
"On July 2, 2008, following the death of Funny Car driver Scott Kalitta, the NHRA announced that race distances for Top Fuel and Funny Car classes would temporarily be reduced to 1,000 ft from the usual 1/4 mile (1320 ft).[2] The measure was intended to be temporary while safety solutions were explored; however, the races have remained at 1000 feet since Kalitta's death, with no indication by NHRA officials of any intent of returning to the full quarter-mile format any time soon."
Indycar/CART started to think about slowing down the cars when they were hitting 250mph+ at Michigan. Man, remember Alex Zanardi's crash in Germany?
Anyways... it will be interesting to see how Pikes Peak adapts.
Aug 15, 2012, 07:58 AM
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that is correct. we had holes in the welds of the added gussets along the roof line they wanted filled, which we did.
there were about half the cars in the field that also didn't pass tech inspection the first time as well. INCLUDING brianne corns SCCA certfied rally cage, which had passed tech the year before with the same cage, the factory mitsubishi teams i-miev car, and a bunch of others all with spots needing fixed.
our primary cage (the original NASA spec cage) was all fully tig welded around every tube as we lowered the cage through the floor to get the top edges when we built it. when we had to add the gussets at the halo corners when deciding to do pikes peak, the cage was already burned in thus the top edge of those tubes welding wasnt pretty and had holes that needed filling. with the roof off you can see the patch job the shop did, did the job of filling the holes, but certainly offered 0 additional strength as it wasn't burned into the tube fully. even with holes in our welds on the top, i promise our gussets were stronger then rhys millens which were made of 1" OD tubes
Aug 15, 2012, 08:17 AM
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1994:
Cockpit area side load test increased (from 2000daN to 3000daN).
1995:
Survival cell side impact test introduced.
1998:
Higher cockpit sides.
75mm side headrests compulsory.
Perhaps I should have said bodywork height relaitve to the driver. I've been watching racing since I was 5 and just about every form (I miss old school monster truck and stadium truck racing, haven't seen a hydroplane race in forever either). I'm pretty well aware of the safety improvements made to the vehicles over the last 25 years.