Evolution Dynamics Pikes Peak Build
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Been some updates. Here are the pics.
Ready to roll to the paint shop.
Shiny and new with upgraded bushings.
On the way to the paint shop!
Steering rack with goodies
Beer powered turbo?
Ready to roll to the paint shop.
Shiny and new with upgraded bushings.
On the way to the paint shop!
Steering rack with goodies
Beer powered turbo?
Did you guys consider adding an A-pillar support bar? Its commonly found on rally cars and helps close up the huge gap in the cage above the door bars and helps prevent the front of the cage (at the top of the windshield) from being as easy to crush in during a rollover. Same would go for some additional triangulation between the main hoop and the front laterals. Here's a random pic I found online where you can see those two extra bars:
With the consequences of an "off" at PP, I think its a pretty worthwhile addition to the cage. I don't think its required by PP, but it has been required for any rally cars built after 2008 or so.
Nice on the whiteline bits - have those either on my car too, or sitting in a box waiting to get installed.
Dave
With the consequences of an "off" at PP, I think its a pretty worthwhile addition to the cage. I don't think its required by PP, but it has been required for any rally cars built after 2008 or so.
Nice on the whiteline bits - have those either on my car too, or sitting in a box waiting to get installed.
Dave
Did you guys consider adding an A-pillar support bar? Its commonly found on rally cars and helps close up the huge gap in the cage above the door bars and helps prevent the front of the cage (at the top of the windshield) from being as easy to crush in during a rollover. Same would go for some additional triangulation between the main hoop and the front laterals. Here's a random pic I found online where you can see those two extra bars:
With the consequences of an "off" at PP, I think its a pretty worthwhile addition to the cage. I don't think its required by PP, but it has been required for any rally cars built after 2008 or so.
Nice on the whiteline bits - have those either on my car too, or sitting in a box waiting to get installed.
Dave
With the consequences of an "off" at PP, I think its a pretty worthwhile addition to the cage. I don't think its required by PP, but it has been required for any rally cars built after 2008 or so.
Nice on the whiteline bits - have those either on my car too, or sitting in a box waiting to get installed.
Dave
we built the cage to NASA spec, i.e. as little tubing as possible yet still being safe and legal. we had to add all the gussetting inbetween the "halo" pipes above your head for pikes peak rules, even though we had a diagonal piece up there. we also have the entire a-pillar gussetted to the frame.
since it isn't a rally car, we didn't take any of their rules into consideration. the extra rigidity of the frame isnt going to do much beyond what we already have, so beyond safety considerations, the extra tubes would only slow us down (weight).
we built the cage to NASA spec, i.e. as little tubing as possible yet still being safe and legal. we had to add all the gussetting inbetween the "halo" pipes above your head for pikes peak rules, even though we had a diagonal piece up there. we also have the entire a-pillar gussetted to the frame.
since it isn't a rally car, we didn't take any of their rules into consideration. the extra rigidity of the frame isnt going to do much beyond what we already have, so beyond safety considerations, the extra tubes would only slow us down (weight).
since it isn't a rally car, we didn't take any of their rules into consideration. the extra rigidity of the frame isnt going to do much beyond what we already have, so beyond safety considerations, the extra tubes would only slow us down (weight).
The hill climb where you going guys are trully one of a kind, there for i would not consider those two additional tubes at the a pillar as a slowing down factor at all.
That extra weight is negligent in overall performance there is no way you could actually measure it in stage times neither feel it, specially a powerful car you guys will have, i would think as a real addition of safety...
Which is not negligable at all.
but is your call guys, its your car your safety.
I like a build, good thread though.
Good point. While that is safe, and I'd climb in it at any track with confidence you know, at the Peak i'd personally rather have a heavier safer cage then risk it. Could easily be added and rattle canned after. Even if I've driven the peak before. Now if that one or two bars makes it any safer i'm not gonna touch on, just make sure you'd be "comfortable" driving it off a 10k foot cliff before you tackle anything.
i think you wrong, when roll over happens those bars are really working.
The hill climb where you going guys are trully one of a kind, there for i would not consider those two additional tubes at the a pillar as a slowing down factor at all.
That extra weight is negligent in overall performance there is no way you could actually measure it in stage times neither feel it, specially a powerful car you guys will have, i would think as a real addition of safety...
Which is not negligable at all.
but is your call guys, its your car your safety.
I like a build, good thread though.
The hill climb where you going guys are trully one of a kind, there for i would not consider those two additional tubes at the a pillar as a slowing down factor at all.
That extra weight is negligent in overall performance there is no way you could actually measure it in stage times neither feel it, specially a powerful car you guys will have, i would think as a real addition of safety...
Which is not negligable at all.
but is your call guys, its your car your safety.
I like a build, good thread though.
well, although i would agree that its prolly not noticable by itself, the mentality that a little weight here, a little weight there wont make a difference, is not a true race car mentality. our car is many hundreds of pounds lighter then i'm sure both daves, and yours rob, because we take the philosophy that anywhere you can save weight, we do. the car is built to the safety standards the rules require, which implies that it is safe. if it werent safe, they would have more rules.
we shall see if this mentality proves to be beneficial on the track though. jeremy has been specifically instructed by me to not take unnecessary risk while driving the car, but we are racing so i expect him to go fast
i am sure your car weights a lot less. One reason is our (rally cars) have a strict rules about weakening the body and so on so forth. Also we do have a relatively high minimum weight requierments + two person in the car etc.
Yes its a fine line between uneccesery risk and racing ... LOL
Yes its a fine line between uneccesery risk and racing ... LOL
Biggest difference between running NASA and Hillclimbing! If you go wide you wreck! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJexmstJWs. And thats not even bad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVdS8Qnvb8
I believe everyone should do what they want in regard to safety.
I cant wait to see what unfolds this year. It is a start of a new era!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVdS8Qnvb8
I believe everyone should do what they want in regard to safety.
I cant wait to see what unfolds this year. It is a start of a new era!
Last edited by jerdeitzel; May 11, 2012 at 08:59 PM.
^^^^ yes, basically hill climb is a mini rally stage
That is why rally guys like to run it. Great for practice and set ups - test's.
Sure Pikes peak is more then that, but a general idea for rally guys is basically what i just said.
if you watch the first video , that car also had an A pillar rally set up.
That is why rally guys like to run it. Great for practice and set ups - test's.
Sure Pikes peak is more then that, but a general idea for rally guys is basically what i just said.
if you watch the first video , that car also had an A pillar rally set up.