I hope you can make it, it is awesome roads and race. You would love it , seriously.

Sadly only Subaru hill climbers and road racers used the oppurtinity last time, and came out to race legally on public roads .

 

When i look at what it can cost whether to buy a seat or to campaign with your own team, its not worth it for me. For starters i cant afford it. Even if i could, i think id still prefer to go club racing. For what it costs to buy a seat in a GS car for 1 weekend i could spend less than half that money and go club racing for 1 year and do anywhere from 15-20 races (did that this year).

 

Beyond the nit picking How do we as the Evo sport community entice Mitsubishi to step up to the plate and support racing? Grand Am is the finest sports car racing series in the US. When I bought my ticket at Watkins Glen on Saturday the # was 18,815. They must have sold 25 or 30 thousand tickets by Sunday. We don't see more than a thousand spectators at Rally's. Mitsubishi's marketing has been tepid at best. They always were a smaller nich market company with interesting cars like the Starion and Gallant VR4. Were only talking about this because Subaru is there. Without a direct challenge between the two corporate offices we can't expect a battle on track. Grand Am has done a great job putting on a professional show. I'm looking forward to seeing them again at Lime Rock Park. Great performance at the Glen by Stevenson Motorsports in GT. I saw them qualify and was surprised how fast and big the Camero's looked. Charlie said they have more flat bottom to make the car's down force work. I wish i had stopped by to take a close look at their cars.

 

I think I can fix the point that you keep missing.

THE REASON ANYONE PRO RACES IS TO....WIN RACES!!!!!

So if you have a similar car that requires 3 years of development, luck from mother nature, and a home track to win 1 race. To me that doesn't sound like a BUSINESS investment I'd like to wager on. Yes pro racing is a business, it's not just for the fun factor. Everyone wants to win in the cheapest and most productive way possible!!

Jesus you make my head hurt!!!

Cheers,

Cb

 

No sh$t ...,

So only winners - champs running on the track, right? I wonder how often the whole field rotates in the Champion seat and top of the podium.
Can you give me some educated insight on that too?
thanks Rob

 

Billy Zeigler runs an Evo x in WC

 

Removed post because its not worth it

 

Good call .

 

On the comment about GS to GT. True, the GT cars are a lot faster, but it doesn't necessarily make them more fun. It's just different. The GT cars are true race cars. Tube frames, transmissions in the rear, engines moved back, carbon bodies-- they do what they're supposed to. The GS cars are real production cars, and that's the fun in them. The issues each car has in the real world still exists in the race, maybe smoothed over slightly by tuning and series help. Honestly, if there was a series that was all STi and Evo race cars, it would be entertaining, for sure.

I don't mean to keep getting at it, but I think there might be an understanding that the rules in GS class allow any car in as long as they fit the mold. There's no mold. Each car is approved by Grand-Am and homologated with a specific set of rules to help it best fit. The Subaru was allowed a lot of power upgrades to help it compete on the straights, while not letting it go too far where it has a complete advantage due to the AWD. The series' interest is to induce close, clean races and to promote brand pride.

The comments where people are saying "I don't see why people don't just get an Evo there and see how it does" don't work. You can't put Continental on the windows and roll out to tech. You can ask to do a "tire test" to try and prove to Grand-Am that the car is worthy of the series, but it will only be comparable in lap time and fuel mileage, and requires a gamble in completely building a Grand-Am-spec Evo first. My only point has been that I HIGHLY doubt Grand-Am would allow the car in, even after a tire test for the reasons I've already stated.

I know this is an Evo forum, but people blindly promoting their favorite manufacturer without taking a look at cold hard facts and likely situations is exactly what's wrong with this country's political process. Let's get smart here. Promote Mitsubishi on the things they truly do well, which is a long list.

I spoke to a few people running in WC-GTS and they are concerned with the "let everything in" outlook. The problem they're running into, from the point of view of the some of the conventional racers is that there is a wild power difference between, say, the Kia GTS cars and the Nissan 370Z. The idea that you can just boost the s**t out of a FWD car to make it competitive only works so far. It's a lot easier to pass on a straight and block the braking zone to a corner than it is to dive bomb and block on the straights. Now I won't try to be an expert, just throwing out what I know. By all means, if the rules are in place and you have an Evo and a budget, head to GTS, I'm sure you'll have a great time.

 

^ MBell, what are the differences between the Continental GS class and the WC GTS class? On the surface, the CC GS class looks more restricted, which may explain why the Evo is better placed in the WC GTS class.

 

So basically you saying each different manufactured car gets different homologation rules to get in the series?
There for it is very possibl Evo could have a different requerments to run it vs Subaru for an example?

 

I think that, given how similar the two cars are, the rules would be very similar.

 

That is what i am thinking too. But reading the post sound like can be differrent. Also as i heard in the video, maybe wrong, but sounded like he also has some restriction in the engine. If thay is true i wonder what is that.

 

It's a restrictor on the throttle inlet. Keeps our peak horsepower down but improves torque. It's one of the limitations they gave the Camaro to balance the field.

The Subaru and Evo have a lot more the same than they do different. I would be willing to bet the rules would be nearly identical. They might adjust things/allow things to help with reliability if it's a fair change, may allow ballast moved around to save front tires, that sort of thing.

 

So basically , that is what i was talking about, most likelly same car type same rules.
As i thought, not the rules would be a hold back here.

About the restrictors and thecnical insight:
Sounds like your restrictor rule, kind of ours in the Evo world since the EVo exists does exactly a same, limits HP but gains TQ. That is why the 2.0 L subaru engine and the 2.0l evo engine can handle higher TQ , because of the restrictor plate was in mind when they build- engeneered these engines for race. ( hence that is why the 2.0l Subaru STI is stronger then a 2.5L Subaru)
MIne has an open class the 34mm restrictor plate.
It does a same as for you, limits the hp around 300+WHP ( mine is around 315) and shoots up the TQ a lot. (like mine around 450wtq on dyno jet around 3500 rpm) Also limits the usable rpm range quite a bit. ( mine is around 2500-5500)

this is how ours looks like on stock turbo:




Do you have a pics from yours , does also limits your RPM range? Do you know the Subaru have to have a restrictor plate? If it does what size is it? If they do have 450 whp, i am guessing, they either have none restrictor plate or a quite big. That would be a good indication how far the Evo could go, if we know how the Subaru is restricted by power.