Watching it now and was curios why no Evo's in this thing. I think I see a Subaru. No factory support? Don't fit the guidelines, or not competitive? A second question, are there any televised road races that Evo's do run in?

Thank you

 

avtually i like that series.
Why no evo in it?? i have no clue. I know there is many talented guys around here in this forum who would make some impact on that series....
I will see what they say about it

 

I'm curious about it, too. I saw posts in this board stating that Evos handle better than Mustangs, Camaros, etc. but I have yet to see an Evo compete in these kind of races. Didn't see any Evo in the X-games and World Rally Cross Series either.

 

there is a planty evo in rally cross and some in the X-games.
Joseph actually a member here form last year Xgames.

 

TV? SCCA runoffs and NASA Nationals (way late a night on Speed...sometimes...when they are not running NASCAR crap).

Of us that race, not many left with an Evo. Too expensive of a platform. And no, it does not handle better than the S197 Mustang (speaking from experience) 8)

 

perhaps you drove a wrong evo

I do agree with the cost vs the mustang or many other cars though.

 

Mitsubishi refuses to support motorsports. They want green marketing to sell their cars. They executive in charge pulled the plug on racing in 2005. Vermont Sports Car was the only US company that raced Mitsubishi with factory support in Rally. Subaru has had a fantastic marketing plan that included racing.

 

Joseph burke motorsports? Love to follow

 

said thing over the border , Canada supports Mitsubishi racers. Even if they just come over to race in Canada....

 

hung out with the VSC/PUMA guys at NHMS yesterday. quite an operation to see, and a bunch of awesome guys.

sucks there is no evo support like that.

 

just make sure you know, if the Evo even get close to the podium Vermont MS is one of the reason why they achivment never see a daylight... Racing is a funny buisness...

 

Lack of factory support is one, and a big one. Forking out the $ with no backing at base camp doesn't sit well with many of the pro teams when there's dozens of other competitive outfits backing a LOT. The second BIG one is that every single series in the US that the Evo "could" compete in, it gets penalized so much to the point where it has 0 chance on finishing anywhere close to the front. So paying for it all yourself, and running mid pack = no thanks for established or new teams.

The officials of said series(s) are really afraid of it. I mean you don't see any S197 mustangs winning time attack or even attending WTAC do you. Pretty obvious there for the "handling" question above with those budgets. So they know it can decimate lap times, and we've proven it can stay relativity in one piece when setup properly. Another side to that argument is that it's "too easy to cheat" with it. Say for example someone did find a way and they did start winning. They'd just make up more rules to make it slower .

I mean hell even in our NASA club there's a zillion page thread JUST to argue that there needs to be an AWD dyno check after national races. In the end it's like paddling upstream with one arm tied behind your back hanging upside down all while juggling cats.

 

^^^ Thanks for the above reply.
Sitting here in Australia & watching ESPN, I have often wondered why no Evos, that answers a lot of questions.

I would have thought they would have been a shoe in, the Continental Tyres series, with major backing, but "Ralliart" never probably matured as much as it did down here.

We have a production car series down here that is blitzed by the EVO X platform developed by TMR, (team Mitsubishi Racing), which evolved from Ralliart.

This series encompases everything from HSV, (Holden Special Vehicles) running your 6.1L Chev engines to 3 Series BMW, & M Series BMW.

Well worth watching if you get the oportunity.

 

Yep... IIRC, in Grand Am, when the WRXs and turbo Legacies ran, they had to run LESS than stock boost and got no real engine mods.

Turbos are scary!

 

I've been a part of some of the conversations about bringing the Evo X to CTSCC. The Subaru REALLy struggles to get the sort of power that our Camaro or especially the Porsche and Mustang engines can produce without breaking. Look up how many DNFs the Subie has had in the couple years they've been in GS. They are very quick when, say, it rains or we've gone to a track like Homestead which is paved ice rink, but places like Daytona and Road America are especially tough on them.

Grand-Am hates dealing with cars that enter the series and require massive upgrades just to keep up. The STi is NOT running less boost than stock. They are on a [relatively] massive IHI unit now so they can get close to the top cars have. They also deny the fact that they run antilag, but the 3' flame out the pipe on upshifts is kind of a give away-- try to make a motor last 3 hours while burning up exhaust valves. Just think-- these BMWs and Porsches and Camaros and Mustangs are all making around 450hp on drivetrains made to handle roughly similar power. The Evo is made to handle ~300hp and will need to lay down much more to be competitive. Now it's been a while since I've dealt with modified Mitsubishi products, but they seem to have a pretty poor track record as far as reliability. I know it has improved, but I still feel the numbers won't lie. The Subaru, for the record, has been destroying lots of drivetrains lately, and I'd say their equipment is at least comparable in reliability to Mitsu.

As I've said, the big thing is not that Grand-Am is "afraid" of the cars. It has a lot more to do with the fact that it will be very work-intensive for them to make the car competitive with an engine less than half the displacement as the SMALLEST V8. The Nissan has only JUST started to be at all competitive, and it had to go way outside the usual flavor of the rules to make it happen while our Camaro's engine is bone stock. I'd love to see some Evos go enduro racing in a pro series, but I just don't see it happening any time soon.