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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 06:31 PM
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Time to make a change. Suggestions?

Every time I get an alignment, no matter how much education I give the techs, this happens:



I'm tired of adding an extra $20+ in parts to the cost so, unless I can find someone to make washers out of a stronger metal, I'm going to throw on an aftermarket toe arm.

Does anyone have experience with a certain brand? The only decent looking arm I've found is Agency Power. But, for $500, I can pony up a bit more $$$ and buy hub stands to do my own alignments.

Are any of the cheaper arms worth it?
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 06:55 PM
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https://www.enjukuracing.com/product...tion-x-08.html

I have personally used the DME toe arms with no issues but I am willing to roll the dice on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitsubishi-...pe!95035!US!-1
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 07:39 PM
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Well...my car sees a lot of load during track days. Not sure I trust ebay stuff, especially when it comes down to ball joints. Unless the toe arms don't see much stress. I dunno.
What kind of use does your car see?
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 08:38 PM
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Would anyone be willing to make something like this for our cars? Being able to accurately swap alignment between track and street settings would be a cool bonus.

https://pacomotorsports.com/product/eccentric-locks/
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Old Jun 28, 2019 | 11:52 PM
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I can certainly draw that up pretty easily but I'm not sure the recession that it has to sit in on the chassis is big enough to get a good range of adjustment. Might be able to make it work tho.

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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 01:12 AM
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I can certainly draw that up pretty easily but I'm not sure the recession that it has to sit in on the chassis is big enough to get a good range of adjustment. Might be able to make it work tho.
I'm thinking the teeth could be relatively smallish. Since the "washer" will fill the entire adjustment area, it won't have load trying to move it back and forth like it does now. Turn bolt to desired setting, slip washer over to lock it in place, and done..
Is it really that simple?
They would work for camber and toe. Easy peasy?
I'm willing to pay to make prototype. I also have access to a machine shop with a 5-axis, if that helps.
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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 01:22 AM
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5 axis is overkill. This can be done easy peasy with a water jet or a laser table. I still need to get measurements on some of it but lucky you, I can't sleep tonight:

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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 09:45 AM
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Just get the hardrace adjustable toe arms and tack weld the washers in place. Simple.
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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ayoustin
5 axis is overkill. This can be done easy peasy with a water jet or a laser table. I still need to get measurements on some of it but lucky you, I can't sleep tonight:

I know, but a 5-axis is all we have Is there anything I can do to help? I have a new set of bolts coming on that I can measure. I can also get the measurements from the sub frame.
P.S. Greetings, from a fellow insomniac.

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Just get the hardrace adjustable toe arms and tack weld the washers in place. Simple.
I dunno. Cutting some of these and throwing them on sounds a lot easier (and cheaper) to me. Especially since I don't have any welding equipment.
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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 05:43 PM
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Once you get the car low enough in the rear the stock adjuster won't be enough and you'll need toe arms anyways...
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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Once you get the car low enough in the rear the stock adjuster won't be enough and you'll need toe arms anyways...
Ah, when I start collecting Dallas' parts!
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Old Jun 29, 2019 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Ah, when I start collecting Dallas' parts!
My rear uprights just replace the rear toe arm. I set the OEM adjustment to full out for access to the jam nut but other than that, I have a turnbuckle for rear toe.
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Originally Posted by kaj
I know, but a 5-axis is all we have Is there anything I can do to help? I have a new set of bolts coming on that I can measure. I can also get the measurements from the sub frame.
P.S. Greetings, from a fellow insomniac.



I dunno. Cutting some of these and throwing them on sounds a lot easier (and cheaper) to me. Especially since I don't have any welding equipment.
Well either way, it's physically impossible to make this with a 5 axis since a mill can't cut inside corners without a radius. If you're serious about wanting to get this made I'll actually get the dimensions correct and everything.
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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ayoustin
Well either way, it's physically impossible to make this with a 5 axis since a mill can't cut inside corners without a radius. If you're serious about wanting to get this made I'll actually get the dimensions correct and everything.
Could make with a 4th axis or lathe with live tooling and a custom slitting saw. But thats nit-picking. These are something would probably be cut with a die in a big sheet metal tool. But you'd need to stamp out a lot to make it worthwhile.

Better option, learn to align yourself or find a monkey that wont wreck your stuff.
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Old Jul 1, 2019 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
Could make with a 4th axis or lathe with live tooling and a custom slitting saw. But thats nit-picking. These are something would probably be cut with a die in a big sheet metal tool. But you'd need to stamp out a lot to make it worthwhile.

Better option, learn to align yourself or find a monkey that wont wreck your stuff.
Hence why I said waterjet. Wouldn't be very pricey at all to cut these out and all they need is a couple .dxf files.
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