Building an ESP EVO for AutoX...
Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
Coilovers are definitely okay in ESP. Now your boost controller and cam gears are another matter.
Your ECU reflash is probably illegal in SP as well, unless it specifically leaves boost control parameters untouched.
I suggest that you either de-mod the car, or come on over here:
Building up an SM Evo for autoX
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In fear of taking this thread way off to sccaforums.com land, I'll say my piece and say no more on this subject.. 
FT's car is one of the reasons I feel the Evo/STi are really BSP cars - aside from driving yours. Tyler is a very good driver, and I'd say Mike and FT are right there with him in ability, and thus make a very good benchmark, albeit locally. They really shouldn't be beating him by that much, considering the car Tyler's in, IMHO. It will only get worse as they continue on Hoosiers.
Also, you'll note that the only SP cars that are consistently in top 10 in PAX are Sheridan's nationally competitive DSP car, my car, Tyler's 2002 national championship ESP car, and occasionally a BSP M3 when Lee is driving or Eric/Glenn/Matt have a good day. I think Ian's CSP car got in there once too. All capable of trophing nationally, but probably just a smidge off the pace of the very top for whatever reason - most of those cars aren't completely done yet, or the drivers aren't quite there yet, or both. But they're all still far more prepped than FT's STi, except the M3s. And yet, I think his car could come fairly close (within ~1 seconds in a 100 secs) to winning ESP at a NT right now, and would probably take a low trophy in BSP. Now granted this is very subjective, and it also speaks to the STi's ability, as well as Mike and FT's driving, and FT's great car prep. But bottom of the trophies or a touch lower is probably where it should be right now based on development. Thus, I think BSP.
Oh, and one other thing that makes me think this. With the possible exception of James Sheridan and Lee Piccione, all of us in the region are a minimum of a half step behind Brian's driving ability (and he's in a car that _is_ fully prepped in GS). A PAX within 2 tenths of him is pretty much my goal every event - and it just doesn't happen (I'm jealous).
I can't wait to see that car with more power! Hopefully corner exit won't induce more understeer.
In addition to the whole power and weight thing, I'd also be very interested to hear Eric Stemler's thoughts on his car compared to his DSM.
And to get back on topic - FT, Jack (I can't remember..), or whomever, what kind of toe and caster do you guys run? EDIT: Nevermind, found the info..
FT's car is one of the reasons I feel the Evo/STi are really BSP cars - aside from driving yours. Tyler is a very good driver, and I'd say Mike and FT are right there with him in ability, and thus make a very good benchmark, albeit locally. They really shouldn't be beating him by that much, considering the car Tyler's in, IMHO. It will only get worse as they continue on Hoosiers.
Also, you'll note that the only SP cars that are consistently in top 10 in PAX are Sheridan's nationally competitive DSP car, my car, Tyler's 2002 national championship ESP car, and occasionally a BSP M3 when Lee is driving or Eric/Glenn/Matt have a good day. I think Ian's CSP car got in there once too. All capable of trophing nationally, but probably just a smidge off the pace of the very top for whatever reason - most of those cars aren't completely done yet, or the drivers aren't quite there yet, or both. But they're all still far more prepped than FT's STi, except the M3s. And yet, I think his car could come fairly close (within ~1 seconds in a 100 secs) to winning ESP at a NT right now, and would probably take a low trophy in BSP. Now granted this is very subjective, and it also speaks to the STi's ability, as well as Mike and FT's driving, and FT's great car prep. But bottom of the trophies or a touch lower is probably where it should be right now based on development. Thus, I think BSP.
Oh, and one other thing that makes me think this. With the possible exception of James Sheridan and Lee Piccione, all of us in the region are a minimum of a half step behind Brian's driving ability (and he's in a car that _is_ fully prepped in GS). A PAX within 2 tenths of him is pretty much my goal every event - and it just doesn't happen (I'm jealous)
.I can't wait to see that car with more power! Hopefully corner exit won't induce more understeer.
In addition to the whole power and weight thing, I'd also be very interested to hear Eric Stemler's thoughts on his car compared to his DSM.
And to get back on topic - FT, Jack (I can't remember..), or whomever, what kind of toe and caster do you guys run? EDIT: Nevermind, found the info..
Last edited by Mhyrr; Aug 17, 2004 at 08:30 AM.
Most every mod has been listed with the exception of a front LSD (w/o considering the 05's E-ACD). Eric had planned on installing one before Nationals but considering he does well without one may indicate it's based on your car's set-up in conjunction with individual driving habits. Just remember, although you may end up with all the top equipment installed, getting the car prepared capable of competing against National level car/driver's, is by far the largest bump in the road.
I too, do not wish to take this topic to the (now lost) scca forum Evo/Sti discussion, but will state that I disagree with Mhyrr and FT. If you can get past the driving abilities argument, race data on the National level (so far) has sided with the Evo/Sti staying in Esp. This, of course, does not necessarily reference ProSolo. Regardless, I respect their opinion.
Dave
I too, do not wish to take this topic to the (now lost) scca forum Evo/Sti discussion, but will state that I disagree with Mhyrr and FT. If you can get past the driving abilities argument, race data on the National level (so far) has sided with the Evo/Sti staying in Esp. This, of course, does not necessarily reference ProSolo. Regardless, I respect their opinion.
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I am quite impartial about where the Evo/STi should be, and I am sorry that I read and commented on that whole lost-thread at the sccaforus.com Some how I feel, we would having more fun in BSP
Last weekend results were great for us, no question; beating Tyler by that much margin. However, before we declare a decisive domination, I am cautious; may be Tyler had a bad day, or something was wrong with his car, etc. And you guys are giving me too much credit; the weakest part of the car is my driving, I am roughly two steps behind Brian. I will know better during the Subaru Challenge in September, he'll be co-driving our STi
One thing I know is that doing everything in the rule book with this part and that part is not really preparing the car IMHO. Greg (Mhyrr - how in the world did you come up with that handle???) is right that our STi is lightly prepared, because we take a lot time properly evaluating each component and how it integrates with the rest of the components. Granted it is a slow process but we are learning a lot and that counts more for us.
At the same time, I am ittching very badly to go to Topeka just to see how well others are prepared Gotta contain myself, budget, schedule.... grrrr
Some how I feel, we would having more fun in BSP Last weekend results were great for us, no question; beating Tyler by that much margin. However, before we declare a decisive domination, I am cautious; may be Tyler had a bad day, or something was wrong with his car, etc. And you guys are giving me too much credit; the weakest part of the car is my driving, I am roughly two steps behind Brian. I will know better during the Subaru Challenge in September, he'll be co-driving our STi
One thing I know is that doing everything in the rule book with this part and that part is not really preparing the car IMHO. Greg (Mhyrr - how in the world did you come up with that handle???
) is right that our STi is lightly prepared, because we take a lot time properly evaluating each component and how it integrates with the rest of the components. Granted it is a slow process but we are learning a lot and that counts more for us.At the same time, I am ittching very badly to go to Topeka just to see how well others are prepared
Gotta contain myself, budget, schedule.... grrrr
I think the 05 season shall prove to be one that will have the SCCA looking hard at the placement of the EVO and the STI. Last season Mark Daddio drove my 04 RS at a Westchester County event and beat all but one car in Street mod. All I had on the car was a AEM air filter and APS BOV, and was running bald stock Advans. He loved the car so much he went out and bought a 05 RS for use in A stock. I can see him running away with that championship with ease. This could prove to move these cars in both stock and prepared class. THANKS MARK!!!!!
Originally Posted by coneman
He loved the car so much he went out and bought a 05 RS for use in A stock. I can see him running away with that championship with ease. This could prove to move these cars in both stock and prepared class. THANKS MARK!!!!!
Personally, I think that if anybody is capable of winning an A Stock championship in an Evo, Mark might have a shot. But I suspect that even he will not run away with it with ease.
But if the cars are moved, there's always Street Mod...
Originally Posted by Mhyrr
In fear of taking this thread way off to sccaforums.com land, I'll say my piece and say no more on this subject..
FT's car is one of the reasons I feel the Evo/STi are really BSP cars - aside from driving yours. Tyler is a very good driver, and I'd say Mike and FT are right there with him in ability, and thus make a very good benchmark, albeit locally. They really shouldn't be beating him by that much, considering the car Tyler's in, IMHO. It will only get worse as they continue on Hoosiers.
Also, you'll note that the only SP cars that are consistently in top 10 in PAX are Sheridan's nationally competitive DSP car, my car, Tyler's 2002 national championship ESP car, and occasionally a BSP M3 when Lee is driving or Eric/Glenn/Matt have a good day. I think Ian's CSP car got in there once too. All capable of trophing nationally, but probably just a smidge off the pace of the very top for whatever reason - most of those cars aren't completely done yet, or the drivers aren't quite there yet, or both. But they're all still far more prepped than FT's STi, except the M3s. And yet, I think his car could come fairly close (within ~1 seconds in a 100 secs) to winning ESP at a NT right now, and would probably take a low trophy in BSP. Now granted this is very subjective, and it also speaks to the STi's ability, as well as Mike and FT's driving, and FT's great car prep. But bottom of the trophies or a touch lower is probably where it should be right now based on development. Thus, I think BSP.
Oh, and one other thing that makes me think this. With the possible exception of James Sheridan and Lee Piccione, all of us in the region are a minimum of a half step behind Brian's driving ability (and he's in a car that _is_ fully prepped in GS). A PAX within 2 tenths of him is pretty much my goal every event - and it just doesn't happen (I'm jealous).
I can't wait to see that car with more power! Hopefully corner exit won't induce more understeer.
In addition to the whole power and weight thing, I'd also be very interested to hear Eric Stemler's thoughts on his car compared to his DSM.
And to get back on topic - FT, Jack (I can't remember..), or whomever, what kind of toe and caster do you guys run? EDIT: Nevermind, found the info..
FT's car is one of the reasons I feel the Evo/STi are really BSP cars - aside from driving yours. Tyler is a very good driver, and I'd say Mike and FT are right there with him in ability, and thus make a very good benchmark, albeit locally. They really shouldn't be beating him by that much, considering the car Tyler's in, IMHO. It will only get worse as they continue on Hoosiers.
Also, you'll note that the only SP cars that are consistently in top 10 in PAX are Sheridan's nationally competitive DSP car, my car, Tyler's 2002 national championship ESP car, and occasionally a BSP M3 when Lee is driving or Eric/Glenn/Matt have a good day. I think Ian's CSP car got in there once too. All capable of trophing nationally, but probably just a smidge off the pace of the very top for whatever reason - most of those cars aren't completely done yet, or the drivers aren't quite there yet, or both. But they're all still far more prepped than FT's STi, except the M3s. And yet, I think his car could come fairly close (within ~1 seconds in a 100 secs) to winning ESP at a NT right now, and would probably take a low trophy in BSP. Now granted this is very subjective, and it also speaks to the STi's ability, as well as Mike and FT's driving, and FT's great car prep. But bottom of the trophies or a touch lower is probably where it should be right now based on development. Thus, I think BSP.
Oh, and one other thing that makes me think this. With the possible exception of James Sheridan and Lee Piccione, all of us in the region are a minimum of a half step behind Brian's driving ability (and he's in a car that _is_ fully prepped in GS). A PAX within 2 tenths of him is pretty much my goal every event - and it just doesn't happen (I'm jealous)
.I can't wait to see that car with more power! Hopefully corner exit won't induce more understeer.
In addition to the whole power and weight thing, I'd also be very interested to hear Eric Stemler's thoughts on his car compared to his DSM.
And to get back on topic - FT, Jack (I can't remember..), or whomever, what kind of toe and caster do you guys run? EDIT: Nevermind, found the info..
I would tend to disagree.
I get the pleasure of running against the BSP national champ from time to time.
http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results...sh/round4.html
At this event, Harold's corrvette was not running 100%. His launch control was malfunctioning on his first run and limited his redline to 4500 rpm... He still beat my co-driver in ESP... All his other runs were dirty, but the raw times were significantly faster than the best ESP times.
It's still a borderline argument because we have not seen any EVO's or STI's run with the same level of prep that that beast of a corvete has.
Originally Posted by jbrennen
Well, the people who make classing decisions know Daddio, and recognize that he can drive the wheels off anything, so I wouldn't worry too much.
Personally, I think that if anybody is capable of winning an A Stock championship in an Evo, Mark might have a shot. But I suspect that even he will not run away with it with ease.
Personally, I think that if anybody is capable of winning an A Stock championship in an Evo, Mark might have a shot. But I suspect that even he will not run away with it with ease.
Originally Posted by coneman
What has he (Daddio) done to his car?
Originally Posted by chrisw
jbrennen, looks like you have some competition!BTW, I've already been beaten in SM by another Evo -- at the Oscoda ProSolo last summer, Tipple (in Stemler's car) edged me out of the last trophy spot. I had him on raw times, but I had cone and red light problems...
See here for a cool picture of a couple of Evos duking it out in SM in Oscoda -- that's my co-driver on the left and Tipple on the right: http://www.tomhoppe.com/Pictures/04_...s/IMG_0134.htm
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Originally Posted by kevo
Sorry for off topic but Is it true that there won't be any National tour in the NE in 2005?? That's what I heard from a local SCCA board.