How do they even get away with it? My brother-in-law inspects cars and he wouldn't even give me an emissions sticker without passing the OBD scan. The OBD test unit is a computer and while scanning the info is sent direct to Harrisburg and then a report is sent back whether you pass or failed. I failed the first time due to evap and Front O2 "not ready" - second time i passed with just Front O2 not ready...

He said unless you pass there is nothing I can do....ignoring the visual is one thing but that is only 1/2 the test.

 

Interesting. I just had my car inspected in Sept. I have a Perrin HFC with an antifouler/spacer in place for my second 02 sensor. I have a Jestr flash and i threw 0 "not ready" codes when the OBDII was hooked up.

I do say +1 to finding a guy and keeping him in the back pocket. Pretty much the only way i will ever fail is if there is a saftey concern like brakes or something like that.

 

how long have you had your perrin in there?

i have had mine for about 20k miles at this point, and it used to keep the code away, but probably about 8k miles ago i get the CEL all the time, no matter what.

might have been the leaded 112 i ran at the last time trial. figured since it was a hot day, soaking the cylinders down with octane would insulate me from any potential knock. and it did. didn't see my "knock light" at all except one time coming down the front straight on my final timed lap. i was riding the rev limiter like a $5 wh0re.

but the heated o2 sensor didn't seem too happy about it.

 

I believe that some will just do the test on another car that will pass and give you the stickers for that car. Or some even more shady places will just give you two blank stickers and you fill out the back with some BS. (illigal as hell)

ill stick to putting packs of Malboro cigaretts on my windshield that look like stickers I belive i will need a pack of menthol (green) and a back of reds (red pack) and they look just like em!



p.s Petey any chance i could get a couple dyno pulls in to get some numbers? Which dnyo are you using? Slowboys?

 

I've had mine for no more than 5000 miles. So far so good.

 

one time running 112 mixed with pump gas wont hurt an O2 sensor.....plus its the rear O2 that is causing the cel, just run the O2 sim and you will never see it again - EVER.

 

yeah i gotta get around to putting that back into my stock ecu xml file.

i am just so damn lazy. sooooo damn lazy...

i don't even realize the CEL is on most of the time now.

 

Well kinda. I drive my DSM under 5000 miles a year (or maybe I only put 5000 miles on the stock gauge cluster). At any rate you still have to pass visual. You don't have to pass an OBD2 and/or sniffer test depending on what year your car is and what it requires. At any rate my DSM passes every year for saftey and emissions. Sometimes you just have to go to the PENDOT website and print out the law so that the inspector knows that yes your cage is legal, the belts are legal, that is a catalytic converter, and yes I can dump my exhaust 2" behind the most rearward passenger etc.

 

It *shouldn't* kill an OEM mitsu sensor, true. I used to run 10-20K miles in my DSM on OEM sensors back in 2001-2005 and didn't kill it. However when you get some miles on them you can take out a sensor quickly. The bosch sensors, those POS's die after 5 gallons of the sweet stuff.

 

my OE o2 sensor already had about 20k miles on it at that point. about 15k of which were with the HFC. about 7 gallons of leaded 112 later, and that is when the sensor started playing up all the time.

it might have more to do with the catalyst material just getting "filled up" after such and such a time, but at any rate that's right around when the problem started. not that it's a real big issue. thanks to trav i can shut that code off any time i want.

 

Hey guys, guess what I got...another B.S. ticket in my Evo!!! Yay!!!.

So, I'm on Carson St in the Southside heading home and, as usual, there was a lot of traffic. I'm at the intersection of 17th and Carson heading towards 18th. Traffic was backed up all the way to my intersection and wasn't moving while the light was green. The front of my car was in the intersection on 17th which could have potentially impeded traffic. While partially in the intersection, the light turned yellow. So, while the light was yellow, I pulled forward to get across the intersection. As my car was pulling past the intersection, the light turned red. I was basically completely through the intersection at that point with just the rear-quarter still in the intersection when light turned red. Cop, who was at the intersection on 17th St, pulls up behind and waits till I turn on to 18th St to turn on his lights.

I pull over, cop comes up to window and tells me that I ran the red light. I replied, "No officer, I did not. I was in the intersection when the light was yellow and it turned red after I was through it." He says, "No, you sped up to get through the intersection before it turned red." I asked, "If you are in the intersection when it is yellow and it turns to red, isn't that legal?" He said, "No, its not." The whole time his attitude is very condescending. Mine was a bit angered, but still respectful to the best of my ability for being pointlessly pulled over.

After that lengthy detailed story, my question is this: Is it legal if you are in the intersection while it is yellow, and the light turns red, to get through the intersection so as not to impede traffic? Does anyone know for sure? Where could I find this information? I'm debating on calling the Mayor hotline to report a wrongful citation.

The other thing is the cop changed the story on the ticket. He didn't argue at first that I was in the intersection while it was yellow, yet wrote on the ticket, "Driver sped up to beat yellow light and before entering the intersection the light changed to red." Total lie.

Also, cop did not let me sign the ticket that was issued to me so that I knew why I was being issued a citation. He simply wrote, "Not Signed" in the signature space.

Here's the best part. After he gives me the ticket, he gives me a suggestion on how to speak to a cop in order to get out of a ticket. He implied that if I had not protested the validity of the accusation, that he probably would have let me off with a warning. So, that leads me to assume that he gave me a ticket primarily because I questioned his accusation. I started to get mad at that point and accused him of giving me a ticket illegally. He then said that he wasn't going to argue with me and walked away. I told him that I'll see him in court.

My buddy was in the car with me and could verify the whole story - would it help to use him as a witness? If you made it through this entire epic post, kudos to you and please offer any and all advice.

 

ive been thinking about this for some time... does this eliminate closed loop entirely also then if the ecu ignores the rear o2?

 

should have put a cap in that pigs ***.....


- seriously that sucks......take it to court and see what happens, what do u have to lose?

 

Sorry to hear of your misfortune Dave.

Plead not guilty. Mail in the fine and the 7 seven dollar fee.

Tell the judge your version of events and ask for the ticket to be reduced to a 3111.

The cop will not show and does not have to in the city.

The whole speed up to run the light is going to make the judge less inclined to reduce the fine. This is why the police officer wrote it that way.

If the judge is not inclined to reduce the fine at all request a trial, which occurs at the same time as your hearing and your witness may be of help in that instance.

Have you gotten other tickets in the city?

Police, looking for revenue are going to get very aggressive in ticketing guys. Be very careful.

 

I'll keep that in mind, however I'm so pissed about this that I'm really not even willing to pay one dollar to the city. This is my second city ticket. I was issued one by the port-authority cops in downtown for turning left onto a bus-lane route...I didn't even realize that buses had their own roads that are off limits to other automobiles (that was $105).

I never get crap from actual pittsburgh police. I used to like them because they are the few cops that are actually fighting crime versus pushing tickets. This bed-wetter was an exception to the norm.