Dave, i want some rain shots pleasekthxsbai

 

Turc- bring an umbrella and cover me (well, cover the camera). I'll even bring the umbrella...

We'll work something out. Come meet us at AMD for the cruise!

 

i seriously just cracked up reading this hahaha

i am counting the minutes until the meet... work = super lame

 

I am sitting on my couch so i dont think i will make it to marlboro. I will hold the umbrella.

"It's my window, I I, I can't stand the rain!"

 

f'uck i cant sleep.....oh well, i think its my first time writing anything on this thread huh? it was great like last time seeing other evos lined up at the parking lot. Oh, guess what, i found out that DEX!!!!! was giving me **** on my old thread complaining about Al's tune. Thanxxxxxxx!!! DEX!!!!!! oh jesus. I need to find a way to go to sleep at night. any suggestions????? lol

 

Ill support you on Al's ****ty tuning for customers. Maybe not all cars and his car but anyone he dont know or care about he just wants the money and block tunes the car.

Ill be heading down to Swift Motor Sports Saturday hopefully to see what im dealing with. Dont know if anyone is in the Norwich area. Ill have to take mad pics he said hes going to give us the tour of all his shop cars and shiat like the Skyline, 350z's, and silvia i think it was and some other cars. Hopefully itll be a good day

 

Block tuning isnt the problem, it is what numbers that he puts in the cells that is the issue.

 

Block tuning is pretty gay.

A motor is dynamic. Putting the same number in lots of cells like that is just lazy. Long gone are the days of distributor caps. Tuning like that isn't great for power, emissions or anything. I guess it could be considered conservative, but I would just go with lazy. You will need more timing at 7k rpm to fully consume the fuel in the cylinder than you need at say 3k rpm.

I'm not saying that -EVERY- cell has to be different, but setting a large chunk of the map to the same number doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I'm missing something, though....

 

it definitely seems to defeat the point of having MIVEC... lets put in this sweet system so that you can dynamically change cam timing, but always set the timing to the same value!

i surprisingly didnt spend the rest of last nite on the toilet!

 

me neither. i had a got trip to the bathroom this morning and that was it. no mount vesuvi-***.

 

i think i'm one of the only guys on here that defends al's tunes. I wouldn't go to him for a tune, but i understand what he does. he's just super lazy. he forces aggressive timing, and relies on the stock knock sensor to pull the timing down. and instead of scaling injectors - he scales the fuel maps and fudges open loop.

al doesnt run 8* from 1000 to 7000rpm. if you trace a 2 byte load on a single gear pull, you can see that the 8 degress only hangs out around peak torque. just because it looks like a block of 8s doesnt mean that the engine hangs out only in that block, he runs 16-18* by 7krpm. his block timing is actually more consistent than my Jestr tune, because of the way load bounces around. If i was running his tune my timing would hang at 8* instead of going 7* 6* 7* 5* 7* 6* 8* 7* 8* 9*.
but if you look at the map's jestr is more esthetic, but Al's tune is more consistent.


al is in it for the money and he doesn't give two ****s about your car, its just not worth his time to fine tune every load cell, because the power gains - aren't going to be there. Even when someone fixes his tunes - they still make the exact same or less power. the "fixed" tunes just happen to be "safer", knock less, and as a result they run smoother. but honestly - how many Evos have blown up because of his tunes - out of the hundreds of Evos that he's tuned? It's a ticking time bomb everyone has said - but honestly its been over 4 years, and we still haven't heard about his tunes blowing up cars. DSMers have been riding the knock sensor since the 4G came to the US. the engine is practically bullet proof.

a lazy tune gets you 99% of the way there, with 1/8 the time invested. i think people just expect more for their money and they feel ripped off - because other tuners actually care about their tunes.


my logs can be downloaded here

 

guys i dunno what the hack your saying but I agree anyways lol. Dex, I was just kidding man. No harsh feelings. I also think that I deserved given a hard time by some experts like you. lol. Anywayzzzzzz....Mikie when do you want to try to tune my car and greg's? lol.

 

no way man, that definitely wasn't aimed at you. i just get frustrated at alot of the people that criticize al's tunes. half of them don't even know tuning - they just see block tuning and immediately jump on the bandwagon to bash him. yeah his tunes suck, but theyre fast.

as for you kim, I have alot of respect for you. definitely no hard feelings. In all honesty - Al probably saw that you didn't know alot - and he took advantage of you. I feel bad but it happens all the time.


another thing Al gets alot of heat for is setting all the Octane maps the same for fuel and timing. He does this again for consistency. As soon as the Ecu sees even one count of knock - it starts interpolating between the low octane maps. We already have the knock safety pulling timing after 3 counts, he feels we don't need another safety effectively doing the same thing. The Evo ECU is a little pansy illustrated by my jumpy timing. that 5* slump was from 1 count of knock. by getting rid of the multiple octane maps - he basically says he doesn't care about 1 count of knock sum. If we see more than 3, go ahead and pull timing, but in the meantime - you're a 4g63- don't be such a pansy.

 

WORDD. "BRO" lol

 

Just another opinion- you can NEVER be too safe. Often when people subvert safeguards, it's because they don't know how they work and don't want to go through the trouble of making them work correctly for their needs. Subaru has a knock correction scheme that is pretty straightforward- it will pull timing based on load/rpm and keep track of what sites it's seen happened at. If it happens across too many sites, the ECU will pull back timing everywhere with a global multiplier. If that global multiplier drops too low, it will revert to safe fueling/boost maps.

Not that hard in concept at all. When the ability to tune the Subaru ECUs was given to the public, the first thing many people tried to do was to disable this strategy. Why? Because it wouldn't do what they wanted it to do.

Running a fixed timing map is great for a race car or something of that nature. Something where you may tweak everything before a race because of temperature, humidity, and a host of other external conditions.

On a street car where you will see differences in weather, differences in fuel (oops- the girlfriend put 89 octane in (or boyfriend in the case of Dex :P)) I wouldn't undermine the ECUs ability to protect the motor. There should be ways of making the car run consistently without having to neuter its ability to do its thing in case of a problem which WILL occur at some point.

/soapbox

I think we are going to start playing with Turco's car this weekend. We'll see how that goes. After I get a better grasp on some things, I'll start looking at some more cars.

I also have to get my car running. I'm only running 20 psi right now and haven't even turned the injection on. I think I might go to the UTEC speed density first since I can tweak things in realtime with that as opposed to having to reflash.