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Old May 3, 2010 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chu
Then you better plan it all out carefully.
Yessir!!!!
Old May 3, 2010 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CatalystGod
Gentlemen, need some advice on how to proceed with my new part install.

I will be getting my clutch job done this Saturday at GV and I want to put on parts the following weekend. But I'd like to do a baseline run before I start putting mods in. Now, how many miles will I need to put on the new clutch before I can do a WOT pull safely on a dyno? Does it even matter at all for a dyno pull?

If I need more miles than I can pile on before the following weekend, I will have to postpone my part install by either 1 week or 3 weeks, and I really dont wanna have to wait 4 weeks. I've waited 2 years, and waiting any longer sucks.
You asked for advice, now here's mine. Remember, you asked for it....

1. F' the baseline pull. Don't worry about it, in the end your final tune is the one that really matters. If you care, just ask your tuner what a typical Evo X puts down on that dyno. If you aren't getting the baseline pull and dyno tune done on the same dyno, then it certainly isn't worth the trouble.

2. You can install the clutch and do pulls right away. It's the engaging and slipping of the clutch you should really break in. A few pulls on the dyno isn't going to hurt it. My clutch was installed and tuned same day. No issues over a year later.

3. Don't get all caught up in the #'s. Same car, same day, same dyno can have different #'s doing 3-4 pulls. Maybe even 5-10 hp difference. That's why I wouldn't go out of your way for a baseline.

4. Just install your parts and go get a tune. Don't worry so much.

5. Have fun with your new parts and tune! That is what it's about, right?
Old May 3, 2010 | 01:46 PM
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Just spoke to Anthony at KHC and he suggested I check back with him after I get my clutch put in.

I will need to drive to VA on Friday (May 14th) evening, so if I can get enough miles on the car from the May 8th(Clutch install day) to May 13th, I could probably show up on KHC's front door after leaving work a little early and get the baseline pull on thursday.

Then, the weekend of May 14-16th, I install my new parts in NoVA while I'm there and come back here on the night of the 16th. The following weekend (May 21st), I show up at KHC again and get a post mod run, get a tune, and get final numbers.

Awesome plan, now if only I had a penny for everytime my plans worked out right!
Old May 3, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by steinvb12
You asked for advice, now here's mine. Remember, you asked for it....

1. F' the baseline pull. Don't worry about it, in the end your final tune is the one that really matters. If you care, just ask your tuner what a typical Evo X puts down on that dyno. If you aren't getting the baseline pull and dyno tune done on the same dyno, then it certainly isn't worth the trouble.

2. You can install the clutch and do pulls right away. It's the engaging and slipping of the clutch you should really break in. A few pulls on the dyno isn't going to hurt it. My clutch was installed and tuned same day. No issues over a year later.

3. Don't get all caught up in the #'s. Same car, same day, same dyno can have different #'s doing 3-4 pulls. Maybe even 5-10 hp difference. That's why I wouldn't go out of your way for a baseline.

4. Just install your parts and go get a tune. Don't worry so much.

5. Have fun with your new parts and tune! That is what it's about, right?
Gotcha

previous post was before I read yours.
Old May 3, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by steinvb12
You asked for advice, now here's mine. Remember, you asked for it....

1. F' the baseline pull. Don't worry about it, in the end your final tune is the one that really matters.
i was coming back on just to post the same thing. do you really care that your stock evo makes 210whp on pete's dyno? i wouldn't and didn't. be happy with your final tune. the butt dyno is far more impressive than the mustang dyno.
Old May 3, 2010 | 02:13 PM
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Well you're going to get a baseline pull before tuning anyway if that's what you mean. I didn't read your previous post but an initial pull is necessary before you just start plugging numbers into maps. Unless youre Al or some other **** poor tuner. Then you just put whatever the hell you want and adjust the knock maps to hide what you screwed up.

Some Dbag pushed the reset switch on my alternator fuse. I have an inline GFI block since I put my battery in the trunk. Next time I go to a car show I swear I will floor anyone stupid enough to touch my car. Unreal. I have to check my boost levels too since my MBC was exposed.


EDIT: wow I sound angry. I need a beer.
Old May 3, 2010 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by colonelfox
EDIT: wow I sound angry. I need a beer.
That makes two of us. I'm angry too!

While in the lanes at Maple Grove on Saturday some dude decided he was going to let his door swing open and scrape up my rear passenger door. He had an old 1970 something modified Nova maybe. Not happy.

Luckily I could get most of the paint off (his car was black), and now there are just some scrapes in the clear coat I think. And a very small indendation in the door from impact.

It never fails man. You can do all you want to keep your things nice, and in a instant some other f'er can mess your **** up.

I feel your pain colonel.
Old May 3, 2010 | 02:44 PM
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I took out my lip on the way to the show yesterday too. I need 2 beers!
Old May 3, 2010 | 02:52 PM
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Oprah's not on until 4.
You watch the o with a glass of wine, dont you.
Old May 3, 2010 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by colonelfox
Well you're going to get a baseline pull before tuning anyway if that's what you mean. I didn't read your previous post but an initial pull is necessary before you just start plugging numbers into maps.
Yeah, following was my plan initially, but looks like its going to change.

1) get base line pull
2) install basic bolt on mods that are arriving shortly
3) go for a tune and get a dyno run with mods before the tune
4) then get the final one after the tune.

From what all you say, seems like it might be a waste of money to try and get so many pulls when the final number is what really matters. I guess I just wanted an incremental view of the progression in power.
Old May 3, 2010 | 03:13 PM
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Ahh. I thought you meant before tuning. My fault for not reading. Yeah a baseline mod free pull is nice if you have money to blow and you're curious but it is completely unnecessary. It's just one of those for the hell of it kind of things.
Old May 3, 2010 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CatalystGod
Yeah, following was my plan initially, but looks like its going to change.

1) get base line pull
2) install basic bolt on mods that are arriving shortly
3) go for a tune and get a dyno run with mods before the tune
4) then get the final one after the tune.

From what all you say, seems like it might be a waste of money to try and get so many pulls when the final number is what really matters. I guess I just wanted an incremental view of the progression in power.
you're going to have several pulls (like 4-8) while getting tuned and you're final or the several with consistent numbers is what you're final is considered.

like josh said a baseline stock pull is fine and dandy but kind of a waste. you're going to have much more enjoyment smashing the throttle out on the street than having a few dyno graphs.
Old May 3, 2010 | 04:24 PM
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awesome time at the lodge guys, and yes ben i agree that scotch had some pop to it! They had an AWESOME beer selection

Was I too wasted to notice this?
Old May 3, 2010 | 04:27 PM
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Looks like a decent turn out for a meet, but a bunch of just really ****ty cars.
Old May 3, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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There was actually a lot of nicely done cars. Only a few higher end but I was more impressed than I expected. There was also the most beautiful red Grand Am I've ever seen. I loved it when Chu yelled out "damn that thing is clean" to the kid driving it.



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