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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 10:14 PM
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Wow, didn't catch that you got an Outlander Sport as well Noize, been too busy racing I guess.

I made the mistake of letting my parents borrow my Outlander Sport when they had company visit from out of town. They have a Beetle and Jeep right now so fitting 4 adults was troublesome. My Mom absolutely loved the car and with the 20-30hp worth of tweaks I've done it competes great with the competition.

I think I already shared the roms with Razorlab/Bryan when he was working on trying to use the stock ECU to tune a RRM turbo kit or similar on the car. Never followed up to see how that worked out but it should have been doable.

I'm probably going to cut up my old Evo X stock exhaust and see if I can get some welding practice in. Not sure if I'll reuse the main part which is around 2.25" OD or just go with a 2.0" OD piping to save weight and splice in the cat and dual tip muffler. Quick eyeballing makes it appear doable since the Mufflers are simiar size. I just want some more noise to come out of the rear exhaust rather than the engine bay and I think this might do the trick without sounding horrible. Worst case I just throw it away haha... It might also gain a bit of power up top but will be hard to know until I try it. Dual tips will look different and with a carbon cutout on each side it might actually look decent.

I think the Evo X cams will drop right in, just a matter of getting the right Valve Tappet clearances so that everything is in spec. I think I can get this Outlander Sport into the 190 crank HP region with the cams and exhaust opened up slightly and ECU tuned on 93 octane, who knows, somebody has to tinker!
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Old Aug 29, 2012 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hiboost
Wow, didn't catch that you got an Outlander Sport as well Noize, been too busy racing I guess.

I made the mistake of letting my parents borrow my Outlander Sport when they had company visit from out of town. They have a Beetle and Jeep right now so fitting 4 adults was troublesome. My Mom absolutely loved the car and with the 20-30hp worth of tweaks I've done it competes great with the competition.

I think I already shared the roms with Razorlab/Bryan when he was working on trying to use the stock ECU to tune a RRM turbo kit or similar on the car. Never followed up to see how that worked out but it should have been doable.

I'm probably going to cut up my old Evo X stock exhaust and see if I can get some welding practice in. Not sure if I'll reuse the main part which is around 2.25" OD or just go with a 2.0" OD piping to save weight and splice in the cat and dual tip muffler. Quick eyeballing makes it appear doable since the Mufflers are simiar size. I just want some more noise to come out of the rear exhaust rather than the engine bay and I think this might do the trick without sounding horrible. Worst case I just throw it away haha... It might also gain a bit of power up top but will be hard to know until I try it. Dual tips will look different and with a carbon cutout on each side it might actually look decent.

I think the Evo X cams will drop right in, just a matter of getting the right Valve Tappet clearances so that everything is in spec. I think I can get this Outlander Sport into the 190 crank HP region with the cams and exhaust opened up slightly and ECU tuned on 93 octane, who knows, somebody has to tinker!

Hey Chris!

I sent my ROM to Bryan, but since its a 2012, we're waiting on definitions, and are stuck for the time being.

Are you currently tuned on 87 octane? Going up on octane would be a deal breaker for me, because there is no way I will be able to talk my wife into running better fuel. She doesn't care about HP at all, so my Evo's old K&N drop in and an 87 octane remap are the only power mods on the horizon.

If I can get 10whp vd with tune and drop in together and a little more mivec torque love, I'd be a happy camper.
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Noize
Hey Chris!

I sent my ROM to Bryan, but since its a 2012, we're waiting on definitions, and are stuck for the time being.

Are you currently tuned on 87 octane? Going up on octane would be a deal breaker for me, because there is no way I will be able to talk my wife into running better fuel. She doesn't care about HP at all, so my Evo's old K&N drop in and an 87 octane remap are the only power mods on the horizon.

If I can get 10whp vd with tune and drop in together and a little more mivec torque love, I'd be a happy camper.
I've tweaked different maps to test the knock sensor out a bit and it's actually turned off from the factory! Once turned on even the stock tune tends to give 4-6 counts of knock in spots depending on AC and how hot it is that day.

The stock timing maps are pretty jagged in spots and just smoothing them out and increasing timing 1-2 degrees in the mid to upper range still works fine for 87 octane. I've adjusted fueling to around 12.5-13.0 range in open loop and a still need to dyno different MIVEC settings once I return to the dyno. The trick is that any changes are very hard to nail down unless you are strapped to the dyno. You still see some 1-2 knock counts here and there but that can be dialed out with the knock sensitivity tables.

I also have a 93 octane tune that increases timing closer to 3-4* and it makes a small difference but knock goes back to 4-6 range if you try and run 87 octane. Nothing that will break the car considering that the stock tune was similar but long term I would rather have it be rock solid safe. Figure each degree of timing is around 2-3 HP, not a ton, but it can add up with the other changes on the dyno.

It may be possible to use the 2011 rom on the 2012 but if Bryan can come up with a 2012 XML def that would be best for all. I'm quite sure he has what I gave him in the Fall so hopefully he can discover a few more things going forward.

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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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Really interesting Chris.

Perhaps getting the thing tuned for longevity would be better. Bump it up to 92 octane and should be good? Smooth it out a bit and get a little more oomph?

Is putting an aftermarket Evo drop-in a good idea? Or no pick ups from that? So you're just using your tactrix / open ecu for this?
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Old Aug 31, 2012 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by migs647
Really interesting Chris.

Perhaps getting the thing tuned for longevity would be better. Bump it up to 92 octane and should be good? Smooth it out a bit and get a little more oomph?

Is putting an aftermarket Evo drop-in a good idea? Or no pick ups from that? So you're just using your tactrix / open ecu for this?
I have the K&N drop in panel filter with a 4" duct replacing the factory restrictive piece. Since the K&N drop in filter easily supports 12.2 @ 112 on my Evo X MR that is around 400 crank HP it's more than plenty for the Outlander Sport in the 150-200 crank hp range. I like the stock airbox as it keeps the hotter engine bay heat from being drawn into the intake system. It's not a huge HP boost but somewhere around the 5 HP range with gains across the board and some MPG benefits is hard to ignore.

I do have an Evo X Throttle Body that I may swap in and test for gains, couple that with a smooth intake pipe from the stock airbox to the TB and it might help make it breathe easier for a few HP. While there I'll bypass the coolant flow through the TB to help reduce intake temps.

I'm also going to do some welding and see if a 2.25" exhaust and Evo X Muffler/cat pieced together will help since 1.75" OD is pretty small. The worst section is right before the muffler where it's press bent as if they did it in a vice... probably necks down to 1.5" equivalent!

Last on the items to try will be the Evo X Cams swapped in, these could net realy good gains if I tweak the AFR and MIVEC for them once installed so we'll see.

I'm willing to try smaller tweaks that can be reversed easily enough and that don't cost an arm and a leg. The end goal is to reach a reliable 200 crank HP which would place it around 15.0 @ 90 mph in the 1/4 mile at current weight. Trying to get down to the drag strip soon to get some numbers of where it's at now, would be interesting to see how shift mode and CVT mode compare.
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