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Old Jul 16, 2019 | 09:02 AM
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Question Loss of Power

Good day fellow RVR/Outlander owners. So I have a 2011 RVR and I had it for almost 5 years now. Oil change is always done once I reached the kms requires to do so. For the last 2 years I noticed a loss of power. Every time my car is in a complete stop (Intersections and 3/4-Way Stop Signs) I have to rev really hard to get my car moving and I can hear the engine roars. Any ideas what needs to be done? RVR only have 85K clicks. Never have done any journey to stealership to do maintenance checks. Last time I was down to my dealer when they had a wiper motor recall and the guy told me to do a engine/transmission flush and some maintenance stuff. I apologize as I’m not mechanically inclined.

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Old Jul 16, 2019 | 09:44 AM
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Do you here a whining noise. It could be like the mechanic mentioned, if you have the CVT trans youre more than likely do for a transmission fluid change.
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Old Jul 17, 2019 | 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DhiJay23
Oil change is always done once I reached the kms requires to do so....
i don't know what the "recommended" oil change interval is (some manuals in modern cars say to go as high as 10k or 15k miles), but i always change mine at 5k miles with a name brand synthetic oil.

as Nast said, you probably need a trans fluid change. i typically do these around 45k to 60k miles.
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Old Jul 17, 2019 | 07:30 AM
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Yes. I will try to contact my dealer and book for an appointment.
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Old Jul 17, 2019 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Nast_Nas
Do you here a whining noise. It could be like the mechanic mentioned, if you have the CVT trans youre more than likely do for a transmission fluid change.


Yes and I bet its more loaded from the outside as you can really hear it from the inside from a sudden stop in 3/4-Ways stop and hard rev. I will contact my dealer and try to book an appointment. Thank you for the quick response.

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i don't know what the "recommended" oil change interval is (some manuals in modern cars say to go as high as 10k or 15k miles), but i always change mine at 5k miles with a name brand synthetic oil.

as Nast said, you probably need a trans fluid change. i typically do these around 45k to 60k miles.
I actually watched or read somewhere that you don’t actually need to change you oil unless it shows in your dashboard. Like I said, I’m not mechanically inclined so I just follow the small sticker that Superlube/Mr. Lube guys writes for a “recommend” kms to do the next oil change. Hopefully trans fluid change wont cost much. Thank you for the response.
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Old Jul 17, 2019 | 11:59 AM
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Yes and I bet its more loaded from the outside as you can really hear it from the inside from a sudden stop in 3/4-Ways stop and hard rev. I will contact my dealer and try to book an appointment. Thank you for the quick response.



I actually watched or read somewhere that you don’t actually need to change you oil unless it shows in your dashboard. Like I said, I’m not mechanically inclined so I just follow the small sticker that Superlube/Mr. Lube guys writes for a “recommend” kms to do the next oil change. Hopefully trans fluid change wont cost much. Thank you for the response.
Don't trust anyone else other than the owner's manual.

The manual says to change Engine oil every 5 months or 8000 kms; change CVT fluid every four years or 64000 kms. You must maintain these intervals to keep your warranty active. If you did maintain, then go to any Mitsu dealer to check your CVT trans.

CVT fluid change costs 190, I argued it is too high, so they gave me free car washing ($25 value, I doubt though).

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Old Jul 18, 2019 | 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DhiJay23
I actually watched or read somewhere that you don’t actually need to change you oil unless it shows in your dashboard. Like I said, I’m not mechanically inclined so I just follow the small sticker that Superlube/Mr. Lube guys writes for a “recommend” kms to do the next oil change. Hopefully trans fluid change wont cost much. Thank you for the response.
Quicky-Lube joints would have you change it every 2 days if it were up to them - i wouldn't take a lawnmower to them for an oil change, but that's another topic.

you could probably go longer than i mentioned above with a decent synthetic oil, assuming you don't fit the "extreme conditions" - extreme hot or cold temperatures, tow a lot of heavy loads or drive in stop-and-go traffic. my car is a twin turbo, so i'm a little more conservative with oil changes than the wife's gently-driven O. Sport.
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Old Jul 18, 2019 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Landshark
Quicky-Lube joints would have you change it every 2 days if it were up to them - i wouldn't take a lawnmower to them for an oil change, but that's another topic.

you could probably go longer than i mentioned above with a decent synthetic oil, assuming you don't fit the "extreme conditions" - extreme hot or cold temperatures, tow a lot of heavy loads or drive in stop-and-go traffic. my car is a twin turbo, so i'm a little more conservative with oil changes than the wife's gently-driven O. Sport.
Sounds about right. lol I only go there for an oil change everytime they have price promo. I lived in "Winterpeg" as what they called it. Coldest province in Canada so I always go to with known brand fully Synthetic.

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Don't trust anyone else other than the owner's manual.

The manual says to change Engine oil every 5 months or 8000 kms; change CVT fluid every four years or 64000 kms. You must maintain these intervals to keep your warranty active. If you did maintain, then go to any Mitsu dealer to check your CVT trans.

CVT fluid change costs 190, I argued it is too high, so they gave me free car washing ($25 value, I doubt though).
Ouch. Thats too much. I wish I can do it myself. My workplace sells Valvoline ATF Maxlife for $7/1L but then again this job i think needs to be done professionally. will this be cover in warranty? I got an email from my dealer the othe day and they were asking for $70 for maintenance check and they said they will go over everything and if something that needs to be done they will do it and see if its under warranty. I asked what exactly they going to do and right now im still waiting for their response.
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Old Jul 18, 2019 | 09:59 AM
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- you must do the maintenance according to the intervals/schedules specified by the Manual, to validate your warranty. Mr.Lube doesn't assume any responsibility if the warranty is void should you have missed any items.
- maintenance/repairs can be done anywhere, even yourself. Doesn't have to be at the dealer.
- The work scope/items for a certain maintenance is clearly specified in the Manual. You don't have to guess or ask around. And they are different this time and next time.
- Only do what are specified by the Manual. Say no to anything else, no matter how "strongly" the dealer suggests.
- Only use the CVT fluid specified by the manual. Don't even think about Valvoline or whatever. Valvoline doesn't repair your CVT transmission if your transmission fails in 10 years, while Mitsubishi does.

Remember, our Mitsubishi has 10 year powertrain warranty, as long as you do it according to the manual. Forget about Mr.Lube or Valvoline.
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Old Jul 19, 2019 | 10:53 AM
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- you must do the maintenance according to the intervals/schedules specified by the Manual, to validate your warranty. Mr.Lube doesn't assume any responsibility if the warranty is void should you have missed any items.
- maintenance/repairs can be done anywhere, even yourself. Doesn't have to be at the dealer.
- The work scope/items for a certain maintenance is clearly specified in the Manual. You don't have to guess or ask around. And they are different this time and next time.
- Only do what are specified by the Manual. Say no to anything else, no matter how "strongly" the dealer suggests.
- Only use the CVT fluid specified by the manual. Don't even think about Valvoline or whatever. Valvoline doesn't repair your CVT transmission if your transmission fails in 10 years, while Mitsubishi does.

Remember, our Mitsubishi has 10 year powertrain warranty, as long as you do it according to the manual. Forget about Mr.Lube or Valvoline.

Thanks Xinbing Liu. I got an email from my dealer and they told me they will do a visual check for $70 (Maintenance Check). Transmission drain and refill for $200. And I asked for a tune up cost and this is what their response "And tune up ie. Replacing spark plugs is $299.95".

its like every movement of their pinky will cost you something. Crazy.
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Old Jul 19, 2019 | 11:15 AM
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It seems that you didn't get what I said. Did you look at your manual, and which maintenance service sequence you are at, such as 65 months/ 104,000kms? or 70 months/110,000kms? Detail items are slightly different between each services.

You only need to do what your MANUAL says to do.
- The manuals says visibly check this hose, that joint, etc, very specific. No vague words.
- If the Manual doesn't say change spark plugs, then why you ask for it?
- any vague word, such as "tune up", is inviting for being scammed (sorry for the rudeness, apologize if you are offensed). Even the dealers have stopped using "tune up" years ago.

CVT fluid drain and fill for $200 sounds ok (mine was 189), but you may haggle a little down, like free car wash. Don't flush, don't use Valvoline or whatever.
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Old Jul 19, 2019 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Xinbing Liu
It seems that you didn't get what I said. Did you look at your manual, and which maintenance service sequence you are at, such as 65 months/ 104,000kms? or 70 months/110,000kms? Detail items are slightly different between each services.

You only need to do what your MANUAL says to do.
- The manuals says visibly check this hose, that joint, etc, very specific. No vague words.
- If the Manual doesn't say change spark plugs, then why you ask for it?
- any vague word, such as "tune up", is inviting for being scammed (sorry for the rudeness, apologize if you are offensed). Even the dealers have stopped using "tune up" years ago.

CVT fluid drain and fill for $200 sounds ok (mine was 189), but you may haggle a little down, like free car wash. Don't flush, don't use Valvoline or whatever.
Totally understand what you mean. Its just I already asked them before you post something about following what our manual recommend/suggest. I appreciate you being straight forward. Thank you
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Old Jul 19, 2019 | 12:19 PM
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Excellent. 10-year warranty is the only reason I bought it. So far, exhaust pipe (from flexible pipe to the muffler) was changed the fifth year because of rust, LR wheel hub assembly was changed the sixth year (two weeks ago), both under warranty.

The fifth year, at annual inspection, they said your rear pads need to be changed (still gave me a pass), here is the quote. I said thanks, I will do it.
The sixth year (two months ago), at annual inspection, they failed me saying you need four rotors, here is the quote. I specifically asked them "are pads good?" they said yes. Very odd, but still, I bought 4 rotors somewhere else, changed rotors and kept old pads. Drove back, they gave a pass in two minutes.
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Old Jul 20, 2019 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Xinbing Liu
It seems that you didn't get what I said. Did you look at your manual, and which maintenance service sequence you are at, such as 65 months/ 104,000kms? or 70 months/110,000kms? Detail items are slightly different between each services.

You only need to do what your MANUAL says to do.
eh, i wouldn't blindly follow the manual.

some car manuals say "15,000 miles oil change interval" or "lifetime transmission fluid, never needs changed"
yeah, right.
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Old Jul 20, 2019 | 06:01 AM
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eh, i wouldn't blindly follow the manual.

some car manuals say "15,000 miles oil change interval" or "lifetime transmission fluid, never needs changed"
yeah, right.
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I would. I even don't care whether they changed my ATF or not. I only paid $189 to buy their "service done" signature on my maintenance log book. If the CVT fails in the tenth year, they fix it on their expense, because I "blindly" followed their manual. Anything they don't mention in their manual, are their fault and they must fix it for free. And yes they did.

The tenth year, I will trade it in, before the 10-year warranty runs out.

Mitsu does not have ten-year warranty in USA, then your way would be different after 5 years.
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