Focus RS
Luxury.... lol
Poor choice of words. Anybody that has been inside a fully loaded Focus ST or RS (basically same exact interior) will know it's not luxury by any means. It's nice for its trim, but it ain't luxury.
I don't think anybody would say a new loaded Mazda 3 or 6 interior is luxury, and that's even better than the Focus.
Poor choice of words. Anybody that has been inside a fully loaded Focus ST or RS (basically same exact interior) will know it's not luxury by any means. It's nice for its trim, but it ain't luxury.
I don't think anybody would say a new loaded Mazda 3 or 6 interior is luxury, and that's even better than the Focus.
Luxury.... lol
Poor choice of words. Anybody that has been inside a fully loaded Focus ST or RS (basically same exact interior) will know it's not luxury by any means. It's nice for its trim, but it ain't luxury.
I don't think anybody would say a new loaded Mazda 3 or 6 interior is luxury, and that's even better than the Focus.
Poor choice of words. Anybody that has been inside a fully loaded Focus ST or RS (basically same exact interior) will know it's not luxury by any means. It's nice for its trim, but it ain't luxury.
I don't think anybody would say a new loaded Mazda 3 or 6 interior is luxury, and that's even better than the Focus.
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I guess without fender flares and sedate city driving it is too much the Focus. With the amount if cars he gets to drive and test I'm surprised he owns any car. Enthusiasts own what gets their juices flowing. It only really needs to make sense to them. Problem is his judgement also comes into play for his reviews.
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This really makes me wonder if the press cars are ringers... I mean they way Matt describes the cars handling dynamics on track and the way Terry describes it are completely different. I'm sure Terry is a better driver and can push the car harder, but Matt isn't really that much of a slouch either...
This is particularly funny cause the review he did on the car when he just got it, he talked about how good it was from a luxury perspective...
Matt Buys a 2016 Ford Focus RS! - First Canyon Drive - YouTube
This is particularly funny cause the review he did on the car when he just got it, he talked about how good it was from a luxury perspective...
Matt Buys a 2016 Ford Focus RS! - First Canyon Drive - YouTube
The focus RS forums are much like here. They think their car is the best thing ever and how dare someone with real experience do realistic testing and research in the real world and share their findings.
Much like here, 80%-90% of the owners go to work/school and get groceries with their cars and the other 10% actually use the car in very demanding situations.
The 80-90% sit on the couch and get their cognitive dissonance triggered when somebody comes in and shows data that wrinkles couch bois comfort.
Much like here, 80%-90% of the owners go to work/school and get groceries with their cars and the other 10% actually use the car in very demanding situations.
The 80-90% sit on the couch and get their cognitive dissonance triggered when somebody comes in and shows data that wrinkles couch bois comfort.
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LOL Triggered, reminds me of this bit of hilarity:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7184771.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7184771.html
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I was wondering how much torque could be shuffled from either side of the diff. I didn't find the torque vectoring RS diff which usually talks about this in speed differences. I found this from the Audi Sport Diff (Magna). See last sentence:
https://www.audi.co.uk/glossary/q/qu...ferential.html
https://www.audi.co.uk/glossary/q/qu...ferential.html
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The focus RS forums are much like here. They think their car is the best thing ever and how dare someone with real experience do realistic testing and research in the real world and share their findings.
Much like here, 80%-90% of the owners go to work/school/car shows with their "team" and get groceries with their cars and the other 10% actually use the car in very demanding situations.
The 80-90% sit on the couch and get their cognitive dissonance triggered when somebody comes in and shows data that wrinkles couch bois comfort.
Much like here, 80%-90% of the owners go to work/school/car shows with their "team" and get groceries with their cars and the other 10% actually use the car in very demanding situations.
The 80-90% sit on the couch and get their cognitive dissonance triggered when somebody comes in and shows data that wrinkles couch bois comfort.
Cliff notes, car is fast but see's 300 Degrees F oil temps after a few laps and has to cool down. Upgraded cooling will be needed.
Probably not too hard to improve cooling as long as there is room for an oil cooler and bigger radiator.
300 F .. At stock power! Thats Chernobyl meltdown. I mean Ford has been working on this car for years. So much engineering and the car wants to split atoms in few laps. Thats terrible. Wonder what the water temps were. Typically the cooling system is over engineered so they have less engine issues in the long run. I just don't see how something so important was just checked off the list as "Eh, Good enough man"
RDU overheats also and as a safe guard it goes into FWD only mode.
Hard to say if the RDU can be plumbed for a cooler, also if there is even enough room for a cooler large enough to keep that little diff cool. Also, there is no temp sensor, so the heat induced shut down is purely an algorithm. So even with a cooler, the AWD module will likely need to hacked so this algorithm can be overridden or removed. Then a real temp sensor with a gauge would need to be installed so the driver can monitor diff temps since temps seem to be an issue.
Point taken but, again Ford engineered a car that was going to be " Beefed up where it counts " and a few laps in its neutered into a FWD car dragging its rear wheels around. Again, another "its good enough" check mark.
Driveshaft is pretty small so that may be a concern making power later on.
That small part, now that I have looked more closely, is where the shaft goes into the CV joint. The OEM 3 piece shaft on the Evo has a similar neck down going into the CV joint. Makes me wonder how small the Evo one is.
point taken
Rear diff was compared to what you would see in a small ATV.
Undersized diffs are hard to keep cool. Even with a big cooler (if there is space), you can easily get into thermal run away.
Yep,bigger stuff usually takes more abuse also ( gear size,shape,capacity )
Rear suspension is stamped steel trailing arm torsion blade and the author compares its construction with a 1960's CW bug.
It looks like this torsion arm could be replaced with a tubular link with a spherical bearing at one or both ends. It is only there to locate the tire front to back, so it could be made pretty light weight. This was a modification done to those early VW's the author mentioned.
Could be replaced? Why didn't Ford's 40K Focus get a nice aluminum rear suspension to save weight and function better.
Wheels/tires are "only" 235-35-19 and weigh 51.5lbs. Another set of small wider/lighter wheels would be excellent.
255 or 265/35r18's would probably be pretty good. If they can be made to fit. The FoST can fit 275's, need someone to test fitment on the RS.
Cool looking, but no one likes boat anchors at each corner. lol
Stock tires weren't happy on track.
Everyone should expect that out of the PSS's, they're really just a street tire.
Responses in bold. Simply discussion points. Not arguing.
Probably not too hard to improve cooling as long as there is room for an oil cooler and bigger radiator.
300 F .. At stock power! Thats Chernobyl meltdown. I mean Ford has been working on this car for years. So much engineering and the car wants to split atoms in few laps. Thats terrible. Wonder what the water temps were. Typically the cooling system is over engineered so they have less engine issues in the long run. I just don't see how something so important was just checked off the list as "Eh, Good enough man"
RDU overheats also and as a safe guard it goes into FWD only mode.
Hard to say if the RDU can be plumbed for a cooler, also if there is even enough room for a cooler large enough to keep that little diff cool. Also, there is no temp sensor, so the heat induced shut down is purely an algorithm. So even with a cooler, the AWD module will likely need to hacked so this algorithm can be overridden or removed. Then a real temp sensor with a gauge would need to be installed so the driver can monitor diff temps since temps seem to be an issue.
Point taken but, again Ford engineered a car that was going to be " Beefed up where it counts " and a few laps in its neutered into a FWD car dragging its rear wheels around. Again, another "its good enough" check mark.
Driveshaft is pretty small so that may be a concern making power later on.
That small part, now that I have looked more closely, is where the shaft goes into the CV joint. The OEM 3 piece shaft on the Evo has a similar neck down going into the CV joint. Makes me wonder how small the Evo one is.
point taken
Rear diff was compared to what you would see in a small ATV.
Undersized diffs are hard to keep cool. Even with a big cooler (if there is space), you can easily get into thermal run away.
Yep,bigger stuff usually takes more abuse also ( gear size,shape,capacity )
Rear suspension is stamped steel trailing arm torsion blade and the author compares its construction with a 1960's CW bug.
It looks like this torsion arm could be replaced with a tubular link with a spherical bearing at one or both ends. It is only there to locate the tire front to back, so it could be made pretty light weight. This was a modification done to those early VW's the author mentioned.
Could be replaced? Why didn't Ford's 40K Focus get a nice aluminum rear suspension to save weight and function better.
Wheels/tires are "only" 235-35-19 and weigh 51.5lbs. Another set of small wider/lighter wheels would be excellent.
255 or 265/35r18's would probably be pretty good. If they can be made to fit. The FoST can fit 275's, need someone to test fitment on the RS.
Cool looking, but no one likes boat anchors at each corner. lol
Stock tires weren't happy on track.
Everyone should expect that out of the PSS's, they're really just a street tire.
Responses in bold. Simply discussion points. Not arguing.
For the record, I really like Ford products and think they do a great job overall. Well, except for body modules but thats another subject.
I'm not arguing either, I'm just disappointed in Ford's baby. No one likes to hear their baby is ugly but c'mon they could've done better IMO.
Last edited by Abacus; Aug 16, 2016 at 09:36 PM.
quoteseption going on here
Responded to the above.
I'm not arguing either, I'm just disappointed in Ford's baby. No one likes to hear their baby is ugly but c'mon they could've done better IMO.
300 F .. At stock power! Thats Chernobyl meltdown. I mean Ford has been working on this car for years. So much engineering and the car wants to split atoms in few laps. Thats terrible. Typically the cooling system is over engineered so they have less engine issues in the long run. I just don't see how something so important was just checked off the list as "Eh, Good enough man"
I'm not arguing either, I'm just disappointed in Ford's baby. No one likes to hear their baby is ugly but c'mon they could've done better IMO.
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now I'm back tracking a bit, haha
I consider oil temps as part of the cooling package.
cars that make lower power don't count.
Maybe the 1 hand thing is pushing it a bit.