New Bolt in turbo... FP White Rabbit.
Thanks Zeus you moderated before I even saw the scuffle, but seriously guys let's keep this thread on topic here. Guys this is going to be a wonderful answer for those looking for an alternative to a full kit.
Originally Posted by 1.8t
Member Az3ar made 350whp on pump gas w/ NO cams on his 3071, no stock turbo or TME turbo has come close that on a dynoflash or as far as I know on a standalone on pump gas without cams. A 3071 will put a HURTING on a stock turbo or TME with equal mods on both setups. All this is just me saying that I am sceptical of this "white rabbits" abilities. I could be completely wrong and I hope I am, but for right now its a waiting game until we start seeing some dyno's. BTW, you pay $3k more for a 35R, thats why it was never in the comparison to begin w/ although according to Az3ar's dyno, full spool is at 4200rpm. Here is his dyno https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...8&page=2&pp=15
Now, according to this dyno, full spool on a GT35R doesn't not occur until 4600~4700rpm. I would find it VERY hard to believe that ATP's turbine adapter would flow THAT bad that the car would be outspool'ed by a big ole' 35R. Anyways, different cars, different setups, both dynoflashes.....take it for what you want, I will stick with my opinion. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=GT35r+dyno
Now, according to this dyno, full spool on a GT35R doesn't not occur until 4600~4700rpm. I would find it VERY hard to believe that ATP's turbine adapter would flow THAT bad that the car would be outspool'ed by a big ole' 35R. Anyways, different cars, different setups, both dynoflashes.....take it for what you want, I will stick with my opinion. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=GT35r+dyno
I can tell you that the Evo hitting full boost at 2900 RPM and dipping into the 11's will not allow your little ATP turbo a chance in hell to catch up to it, especially when your running out of steam on the top end.
Originally Posted by Az3ar
Yea I would love to see that dyno... I hope it spools like stock because even the 3071 is about 500RPM behind stock in spool which is a lot when it comes to circuit track.
Originally Posted by gnulooks
You can believe what you want, but I have not seen one ATP turbo kit dip into the 11's. Also, I have a budy that had the TME turbo who ran an 11.9 on a turbo that hits full boost by 2900 RPM. Also, bear in mind that this was done on the west coast. If it was the east coast that 11.9 would probably be more like an 11.7 or 11.8.
I can tell you that the Evo hitting full boost at 2900 RPM and dipping into the 11's will not allow your little ATP turbo a chance in hell to catch up to it, especially when your running out of steam on the top end.
I can tell you that the Evo hitting full boost at 2900 RPM and dipping into the 11's will not allow your little ATP turbo a chance in hell to catch up to it, especially when your running out of steam on the top end.
too much wrong info is being passed.
Originally Posted by gnulooks
You can believe what you want, but I have not seen one ATP turbo kit dip into the 11's. Also, I have a budy that had the TME turbo who ran an 11.9 on a turbo that hits full boost by 2900 RPM. Also, bear in mind that this was done on the west coast. If it was the east coast that 11.9 would probably be more like an 11.7 or 11.8.
I can tell you that the Evo hitting full boost at 2900 RPM and dipping into the 11's will not allow your little ATP turbo a chance in hell to catch up to it, especially when your running out of steam on the top end.
I can tell you that the Evo hitting full boost at 2900 RPM and dipping into the 11's will not allow your little ATP turbo a chance in hell to catch up to it, especially when your running out of steam on the top end.
BACK ON TOPIC. Awaiting dyno results patiently.
I'm sure there are quite a few people interested in the results of our R&D testing of the Forced Performance White Rabbit. First of all, we wanted to see what results we could attain with the turbo and as little mods as possible. The results with this turbo are impressive to me, not because of the amount of modifications the car has... rather what it does not.
Vehicle as tested:
Stock Engine (Stock internals, stock cylinder head, stock camshafts)
FP White Rabbit Upgrade Turbo
Hallman MBC
Denso 660 cc Injectors
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Stock Airbox w/KN drop in panel filter
Custom 3" intake pipe to stock airbox
Tial BOV on stock intercooler plumbing
Stock FMIC w/stock plumbing
AEM EMS (Speed Density, No MAF)
Stock Ignition (Plugs gapped down to .018 to prevent misfires)
3" Downpipe, offroad pipe, modified HKS catback exhaust
No alcohol injection or intercooler sprayer
As you can see by the above photo, this combination is very stock appearing.
Here are the results after tuning the combination on our AWD Dynojet chassis dyno. We pulled the car a total of 17 pulls. 1-6 were pump gas pulls on 94 octane Sunoco pump fuel, 7-17 were done on VP Import (because it's all we had in stock today... at these boost levels, C16 would be fine.)
Video of the last and highest pull can be found on our website under videos.
Run 6 was the highest awhp/awtq attained on 94 octane pump gas, run 16 was the highest awhp/awtq attained on racegas with no changes other than tuning. Just because I felt that the filter was becoming a restriction at the higher boost levels, for grins I pulled it and the airbox lid out for one last pull... hence run 17 which is the best of all.
Boost levels on pump gas were 23psi settling to 21psi, and racegas boost levels were 27psi settling at 25 at redline. Robert and I have discussed a couple of tweaks, but I'm happy with the turbo's boost curve. We are using a Hallman MBC which in most applications allows a bit of a boost spike initially, followed by a taper of boost.
I am trying not to leave any information out of this post, so if any of you have questions, please feel free to ask.
There is a lot of potential in the use of this turbo in a streetable performance combination for the Evo. I think we've shown what proper application of components and proper tuning can realize. There are more modifications we can do immediately to extract more power from this combination, and we are working on those as we speak. In association with FP, within days we will dyno initial prototypes of some camshafts for the Evo that we hope will give us the best overall performance gains. This will be done with no other changes made from what is listed above to insure that we keep the testing results accurate.
Take care everyone.
Vehicle as tested:
Stock Engine (Stock internals, stock cylinder head, stock camshafts)
FP White Rabbit Upgrade Turbo
Hallman MBC
Denso 660 cc Injectors
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Stock Airbox w/KN drop in panel filter
Custom 3" intake pipe to stock airbox
Tial BOV on stock intercooler plumbing
Stock FMIC w/stock plumbing
AEM EMS (Speed Density, No MAF)
Stock Ignition (Plugs gapped down to .018 to prevent misfires)
3" Downpipe, offroad pipe, modified HKS catback exhaust
No alcohol injection or intercooler sprayer
As you can see by the above photo, this combination is very stock appearing.
Here are the results after tuning the combination on our AWD Dynojet chassis dyno. We pulled the car a total of 17 pulls. 1-6 were pump gas pulls on 94 octane Sunoco pump fuel, 7-17 were done on VP Import (because it's all we had in stock today... at these boost levels, C16 would be fine.)
Video of the last and highest pull can be found on our website under videos.
Run 6 was the highest awhp/awtq attained on 94 octane pump gas, run 16 was the highest awhp/awtq attained on racegas with no changes other than tuning. Just because I felt that the filter was becoming a restriction at the higher boost levels, for grins I pulled it and the airbox lid out for one last pull... hence run 17 which is the best of all.
Boost levels on pump gas were 23psi settling to 21psi, and racegas boost levels were 27psi settling at 25 at redline. Robert and I have discussed a couple of tweaks, but I'm happy with the turbo's boost curve. We are using a Hallman MBC which in most applications allows a bit of a boost spike initially, followed by a taper of boost.
I am trying not to leave any information out of this post, so if any of you have questions, please feel free to ask.
There is a lot of potential in the use of this turbo in a streetable performance combination for the Evo. I think we've shown what proper application of components and proper tuning can realize. There are more modifications we can do immediately to extract more power from this combination, and we are working on those as we speak. In association with FP, within days we will dyno initial prototypes of some camshafts for the Evo that we hope will give us the best overall performance gains. This will be done with no other changes made from what is listed above to insure that we keep the testing results accurate.
Take care everyone.
