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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
I've been told you don't need to get retuned if you install a TME turbo (other than turning the boost down), does the same hold here??

I already have a fuel pump, are injectors vital if I plan to ALWAYS run on 93 oct??
OK, a lot of people are looking at this as if it is just a lightly modified TME... Trust me it flows much better than the best TME combination... You are going to need injectors just to get to the fun stuff. On my first dyno pull, it shot straight up to 20 psi by 3500 rpm and didn't waiver more than .5 psi all the way across to 8100 rpm. It will HOLD plenty more boost than that all the way to rev limit.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeus
OK, a lot of people are looking at this as if it is just a lightly modified TME... Trust me it flows much better than the best TME combination... You are going to need injectors just to get to the fun stuff. On my first dyno pull, it shot straight up to 20 psi by 3500 rpm and didn't waiver more than .5 psi all the way across to 8100 rpm. It will HOLD plenty more boost than that all the way to rev limit.

Just curious but what did you do to the engine in order to rev up to 8100? I might have miss it but can we/I see your dyno sheet?

Thanks
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tcarretti
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the injectors are PRIMARILY for when you run pump gas since I believe you can be a little leaner on race gas. I might be mistaken, but that was the impression that I got from talking to a few people. Could be wrong, anyone want to chime in on this?

Tony
That makes sense but usually on race gas your upping the boost substantially, in this case up to 25psi. However, Id like to know this as well since I dont really run race gas..
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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i think i'm going to skip cams and get the "white rabbit", but i have no plans to get the AEM ECU or race gas......so i would like to see the turbos performance with a flash. also with size injectors would you recommend with this turbo???

if this turbo does well on a flash it might be a good idea for tuners to have a package with injectors, fuel pump, White Rabbit, and flash..... i think this would sell very well!!!
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:15 PM
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anyone want to buy a gt3076r...lol
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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I know most people run flashed cars but everyone just keeps thorwing the "Flash" around. It's not like every tuner or shop has the ability to flash cars over and over while they develope parts. There are only about 4-6 people doing flashes for the evo around right now. They would have to fly out someone like Dynoflash or TurboTrix and pay them to just sit there and keep Flashing the car after each little change is made. That is a good way to drive up R&D cost in a hurry.

Now a baseline dyno with this same car with a stock turb and the AEM would be nice to see for a real comparison. I do know that I have never seen a dyno of any car on pump gas get close to 370+whp on stock cams, air box, and IC no matter what it is being tuned with.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Evol_VIII
I know most people run flashed cars but everyone just keeps thorwing the "Flash" around. It's not like every tuner or shop has the ability to flash cars over and over while they develope parts. There are only about 4-6 people doing flashes for the evo around right now. They would have to fly out someone like Dynoflash or TurboTrix and pay them to just sit there and keep Flashing the car after each little change is made. That is a good way to drive up R&D cost in a hurry.

Now a baseline dyno with this same car with a stock turb and the AEM would be nice to see for a real comparison. I do know that I have never seen a dyno of any car on pump gas get close to 370+whp on stock cams, air box, and IC no matter what it is being tuned with.
ok then call one tuner up and offer them one White Rabbit for them to put on a lightly moded EVO and tune it to see what kind of numbers they cam come up with......FP will sell alot of turbos and everyone will goto that tuner for flashes.....everyone makes money and everyone is happy!!! cost for RD 1550$ plus shipping
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 08:56 PM
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I would like to see that but that is not how FP has chosen to go about things. As long as there is a before dyno of the same car on the same dyno with no other changes than the turbo it will work. I think it would be easy enough to swap the stock turbo back on the car and dyno it to get a very good comparison. Even if it has AEM EMS if there are no changes besides the turbo it should be accurate enough.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 09:03 PM
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ahh the hell with this!! i say lets start a group buy now and let fp now that we mean business im in for sure
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Evol_VIII
I would like to see that but that is not how FP has chosen to go about things. As long as there is a before dyno of the same car on the same dyno with no other changes than the turbo it will work. I think it would be easy enough to swap the stock turbo back on the car and dyno it to get a very good comparison. Even if it has AEM EMS if there are no changes besides the turbo it should be accurate enough.


I agree with you 100 % on that one. At least we will have a good idea how much difference there is between them.


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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 09:18 PM
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To whoever asked... I rev'd to 8100 rpm on Revolver Springs/Retainers and a prayer (for the OE rod bolts).

The dyno software went south on me while tuning... so I have no "graphs". The most impressive thing I saw was the unwaivering boost "plateau", and the 20psi and 308 ft lbs at a dead on 3500rpm. I intend to have Mark of TT flash me July 9th, then go back up to FIS and run on the dyno again there. That was the last place I dyno'd and the only change has been the turbo. Granted the weather will be much hotter, but we will be talking about "corrected" numbers. The last time there, I put down 333whp and 317ft lbs (at 4000rpm) on their Mustang Dyno.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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i would like to see what numbers can be achieved with cams, alky and a maf.......



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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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Excellent work. Without a doubt it is laggier than the stock turbo or tme 10.5. However, at about 4300rpms the rabbit seems to overtake the TME, especially in torque. My dyno sheet below is far from being the most powerful stock turbo dynoed, but is representative of a well tuned 10.5 TME.

TME 10.5 with cams and AMS intercooler on C16



White Rabbit


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Old Jun 15, 2005 | 09:38 PM
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is there going to be a group buy or what? i have a dusty credit card that hasnt seen the light of day for some time. and i would like to have it in before i get my self a custom tune.
Old Jun 15, 2005 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Excellent work. Without a doubt it is laggier than the stock turbo or tme 10.5. However, at about 4300rpms the rabbit seems to overtake the TME, especially in torque. My dyno sheet below is far from being the most powerful stock turbo dynoed, but is representative of a well tuned 10.5 TME.

TME 10.5 with cams and AMS intercooler on C16



White Rabbit

If your AMS intercooler has larger piping all around, than thats probably the reason for your quicker spool.



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