New Bolt in turbo... FP White Rabbit.
Originally Posted by john@rre
I use an apex afc with a stock ecu instead of a flash. We run our aem wide band as an analog input into our motec adl dash. This allows me to view wide band data around the entire race course then tune for each track with the afc. Unless you are prepared to flash for each track and have the equipment to do so, tuning tools that are on site adjustable are preferable.
Of course an end user adjustable tuning solution is require for those who are pushing the limits or participating in competition.
Originally Posted by john@rre
w00t!! payday is TOMORROW... i guess i'm jumping into this and watch the dust settle afterwards...
thank you for your input john! ((hopefully a muellerized setup will be in my future!))
Forced Performance
Wow, we never expected such a response to this unit. hopefully an admin has activated this account and I'm not wasting my finger time typing a message that won't be posted due the lack of account activation 
There are a few questions that have been raised repeatedly and I'll try to answer them here, but first I want to thank Tym Switzer for his hard work and excellent tuning skills with the AEM. Tym has long been one of the best dependable power producing AEM tuners inside and outside of 4G63 circles that I know of.
Regarding A-B dyno graphs for stock to WR, we dont have any. We did all of our A-B work against a EVO6.5 TME turbo instead of a stock turbo. The dyno graph below shows RUN 008 for the TME against RUN 027 for the White Rabbit. These runs, like most all the runs we did during testing, were made using race gas at 25psi and 11.5-11.8 A/F ratio.
This graph demonstrates the difference in spool up between the TME turbo and the White rabbit turbocharger on the same engine with all other paramters held constant held constant. It is not a demonstration of an all out glory pull on either unit. The car used in this test was a 2.0 with typical bolton mods.
We understand that most consumers do not use racegas, we also understand that most consumers do not use the AEM EMS. That being said we choose to use both because we need the adjustability and datalogging features of the AEM and the knock protection of the leaded fuel during testing. The results/datalogs of the tuning efforts need to be carefully analyzed, and the test engines need to stay together during the testing. If you damage the engine part way through the testing and rebuild it then you no longer maintain the A-B test. Risking the engine doing repeated exploration of tuning parameters on pump gas does not make sense in the grand scheme of collecting useful comparison data.
For grins and giggles here is a look one of the components of the White Rabbit turbocharger that makes the whole package work, the compressor.
I know there is a voicemail box full of questions, and I will be doing my best to make all the return calls today.
Boost on!
Robert Young
Forced Performance Inc
There are a few questions that have been raised repeatedly and I'll try to answer them here, but first I want to thank Tym Switzer for his hard work and excellent tuning skills with the AEM. Tym has long been one of the best dependable power producing AEM tuners inside and outside of 4G63 circles that I know of.
Regarding A-B dyno graphs for stock to WR, we dont have any. We did all of our A-B work against a EVO6.5 TME turbo instead of a stock turbo. The dyno graph below shows RUN 008 for the TME against RUN 027 for the White Rabbit. These runs, like most all the runs we did during testing, were made using race gas at 25psi and 11.5-11.8 A/F ratio.
This graph demonstrates the difference in spool up between the TME turbo and the White rabbit turbocharger on the same engine with all other paramters held constant held constant. It is not a demonstration of an all out glory pull on either unit. The car used in this test was a 2.0 with typical bolton mods.
We understand that most consumers do not use racegas, we also understand that most consumers do not use the AEM EMS. That being said we choose to use both because we need the adjustability and datalogging features of the AEM and the knock protection of the leaded fuel during testing. The results/datalogs of the tuning efforts need to be carefully analyzed, and the test engines need to stay together during the testing. If you damage the engine part way through the testing and rebuild it then you no longer maintain the A-B test. Risking the engine doing repeated exploration of tuning parameters on pump gas does not make sense in the grand scheme of collecting useful comparison data.
For grins and giggles here is a look one of the components of the White Rabbit turbocharger that makes the whole package work, the compressor.
I know there is a voicemail box full of questions, and I will be doing my best to make all the return calls today.
Boost on!
Robert Young
Forced Performance Inc
Originally Posted by tcarretti
The clutch is being installed at Top Notch Performance on Perrin Beitel. They did my cams, gears and fuel pump.
I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and pray that everything goes OK.........
Tony
I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and pray that everything goes OK.........
Tony
Originally Posted by john@rre
If you are not a dragster guy who is launching all the time a low miles stock clutch should work.
Originally Posted by ForcedPerf
Wow, we never expected such a response to this unit. hopefully an admin has activated this account and I'm not wasting my finger time typing a message that won't be posted due the lack of account activation
There are a few questions that have been raised repeatedly and I'll try to answer them here, but first I want to thank Tym Switzer for his hard work and excellent tuning skills with the AEM. Tym has long been one of the best dependable power producing AEM tuners inside and outside of 4G63 circles that I know of.
Regarding A-B dyno graphs for stock to WR, we dont have any. We did all of our A-B work against a EVO6.5 TME turbo instead of a stock turbo. The dyno graph below shows RUN 008 for the TME against RUN 027 for the White Rabbit. These runs, like most all the runs we did during testing, were made using race gas at 25psi and 11.5-11.8 A/F ratio.
This graph demonstrates the difference in spool up between the TME turbo and the White rabbit turbocharger on the same engine with all other paramters held constant held constant. It is not a demonstration of an all out glory pull on either unit. The car used in this test was a 2.0 with typical bolton mods.
We understand that most consumers do not use racegas, we also understand that most consumers do not use the AEM EMS. That being said we choose to use both because we need the adjustability and datalogging features of the AEM and the knock protection of the leaded fuel during testing. The results/datalogs of the tuning efforts need to be carefully analyzed, and the test engines need to stay together during the testing. If you damage the engine part way through the testing and rebuild it then you no longer maintain the A-B test. Risking the engine doing repeated exploration of tuning parameters on pump gas does not make sense in the grand scheme of collecting useful comparison data.
For grins and giggles here is a look one of the components of the White Rabbit turbocharger that makes the whole package work, the compressor.
I know there is a voicemail box full of questions, and I will be doing my best to make all the return calls today.
Boost on!
Robert Young
Forced Performance Inc
There are a few questions that have been raised repeatedly and I'll try to answer them here, but first I want to thank Tym Switzer for his hard work and excellent tuning skills with the AEM. Tym has long been one of the best dependable power producing AEM tuners inside and outside of 4G63 circles that I know of.
Regarding A-B dyno graphs for stock to WR, we dont have any. We did all of our A-B work against a EVO6.5 TME turbo instead of a stock turbo. The dyno graph below shows RUN 008 for the TME against RUN 027 for the White Rabbit. These runs, like most all the runs we did during testing, were made using race gas at 25psi and 11.5-11.8 A/F ratio.
This graph demonstrates the difference in spool up between the TME turbo and the White rabbit turbocharger on the same engine with all other paramters held constant held constant. It is not a demonstration of an all out glory pull on either unit. The car used in this test was a 2.0 with typical bolton mods.
We understand that most consumers do not use racegas, we also understand that most consumers do not use the AEM EMS. That being said we choose to use both because we need the adjustability and datalogging features of the AEM and the knock protection of the leaded fuel during testing. The results/datalogs of the tuning efforts need to be carefully analyzed, and the test engines need to stay together during the testing. If you damage the engine part way through the testing and rebuild it then you no longer maintain the A-B test. Risking the engine doing repeated exploration of tuning parameters on pump gas does not make sense in the grand scheme of collecting useful comparison data.
For grins and giggles here is a look one of the components of the White Rabbit turbocharger that makes the whole package work, the compressor.
I know there is a voicemail box full of questions, and I will be doing my best to make all the return calls today.
Boost on!
Robert Young
Forced Performance Inc
flashed and cammed car on pump gas. This is what the majority of folks are concerned about.
I think its time to just compare the stock turbo to the white rabbit with nothing else done to the car so FP please just send me the turbo and I will compare and we can have this resolved asap!!! lol 
well all I can say is wow!!!!! this is the first I have even seen of this turbo and I just got done reading all of the posts and I must say that I'm blown away by this turbo. At first I watched the BR21g very closely and was really excited about that turbo. I mean I went as far as working 7 days a week for a month straight just so I would have the money to buy it. But then I saw all the problems with it and then the final product and numbers and I was very disapointed to say the least. Then I started to watch the Vishnu GT3071 turbo kit but it seems to have a long way to go and the numbers dont seem to be as close as these are to spool, whp, and tq as these are on the white rabbit. So with that being said I am going to buy the white rabbit. My modds are works 269 cams, stage 1 head work, works throttle body, intake, 3 TBE with cat delete, and a few other little things. Every thing is flashed by WORKS. I'm gonna be putting in a walbro pump and 700 injectors this week for this turbo. MY questions are
1. Will anyone be able to flash the stock ecu for this turbo?
2. If so who?
3. I read on here that we might be able to send you our own turbos in and get this done at a cheaper price is this true?
4. If so what is the price and turn around time?
5. Do you guys have any idea of what kinda of whp and tq increase that we will see over the stock turbo?
6. Is there any kind of warrenty on this turbo and if so what is it?
7. This is my last one. Is the stock fmic enough to cool this little monster or will a upgrade in FMIC and pipes make a really good difference?
From what I've been reading in your dyno graphs it looks like 50+whp and tq and I'm no expert on this but I say this because of the gains showed over a TME 10.5 turbo and I know the gains of a TME 10.5 turbo over the stocker with a 9.8 hotside.
Well guys my thoughts on this trubo is very simple. It looks stock
, it makes incredible power and torque , and with some minor boltons I see a verry streetable 400+whp and tq turbo. Hell I think with all the minor boltons plus cams, aem ems, bigger intercooler and pipes, and a alky kit I think you'll see 500whp and tq 
!!! Now you cant beat that at all.
P.S. nebo whats up dude its mike! You should shoot me a pm about this turbo maybe we can get some people from norcal interested in this thing. oh yeah you should get the white rabbit this is a bad *** turbo!!! Just tell your girl its a new pet
1. Will anyone be able to flash the stock ecu for this turbo?
2. If so who?
3. I read on here that we might be able to send you our own turbos in and get this done at a cheaper price is this true?
4. If so what is the price and turn around time?
5. Do you guys have any idea of what kinda of whp and tq increase that we will see over the stock turbo?
6. Is there any kind of warrenty on this turbo and if so what is it?
7. This is my last one. Is the stock fmic enough to cool this little monster or will a upgrade in FMIC and pipes make a really good difference?
From what I've been reading in your dyno graphs it looks like 50+whp and tq and I'm no expert on this but I say this because of the gains showed over a TME 10.5 turbo and I know the gains of a TME 10.5 turbo over the stocker with a 9.8 hotside.
Well guys my thoughts on this trubo is very simple. It looks stock
, it makes incredible power and torque , and with some minor boltons I see a verry streetable 400+whp and tq turbo. Hell I think with all the minor boltons plus cams, aem ems, bigger intercooler and pipes, and a alky kit I think you'll see 500whp and tq !!! Now you cant beat that at all.P.S. nebo whats up dude its mike! You should shoot me a pm about this turbo maybe we can get some people from norcal interested in this thing. oh yeah you should get the white rabbit this is a bad *** turbo!!! Just tell your girl its a new pet
Last edited by carbonevo8; Jun 16, 2005 at 02:04 PM.
