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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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Nice build up man. If I were you I would not go with the 37R... too laggy for not much more power. Also I'd switch from AMS kit to Buschur's HTA 35R. I run the AMS kit and of course it is nice. But I think you may like the idea of the wastegate being plumbed from the header more than the turbine housing.

Also I have two friends with exploded Carbonetics triples... blasted through the bell housings. I also asked Shep what he thought and he was not fond of those clutches if I recall correctly. I'd go Exedy Triple metal.

Is the HKS Knock thinging only work with the FCON or is it a standalone device?

Also if you want a few extra free ponies you could consider going with an HKS or Jun intake manifold. The HKS mani made more power than the AMS in a test Buschur Racing did recently.
In this situation Ive already ordered the 37R and the clutch. Hopefully I wont have any issues with the clutch. I wanted to see what this setup would do. The stroker should help spool the 37R a bit quicker than a 2.0 and with this motor it will be able to rev pretty high, so I believe I should have a good rev range where I am in boost. If for any reason I think the turbo is way too lagy I can always just change the turbo out without having to buy an entire new kit. I will look into the HKS and JUN manifolds as this is one of the last remaining pieces that I have not ordered yet. I believe the HKS Knock amp only works with the FCon, but I am not 100% certain. Thanks for all of the feedback.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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Why is this? Is this because you can hide the programed ECU and it passes close to stock? Just curious if you were passing it by luck or if it is exceptable. Oh yes and second on the standalone question, I thought the Fcon was full programable standalone.
The FCon has an OBDII port and when setup correctly wont throw any codes, so minus the cat not being there it really does pass. The AEM EMS does not have any OBDII port, so you have to take it out and put your stock ECU back in to pass. The FCON is a full standalone, while at the same time it retains the stock ECU. It does not work like a piggyback though. Perhaps Sean Ivey can tune in here and help explain as I know he is very familiar with the FCon.

Thanks for all of the positive comments guys. Im really excited about the build and cant wait to see what it does. Im hoping it wont be extremely laggy, but I am expecting a good bit of lag.

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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:38 AM
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Thanks for all of the feedback.
Yep good luck with the build!
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:42 AM
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crcain, can you point me in the right direction of where Buschur tested the intake manifolds
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by crcain
Nice build up man. If I were you I would not go with the 37R... too laggy for not much more power. Also I'd switch from AMS kit to Buschur's HTA 35R. I run the AMS kit and of course it is nice. But I think you may like the idea of the wastegate being plumbed from the header more than the turbine housing.

Also I have two friends with exploded Carbonetics triples... blasted through the bell housings. I also asked Shep what he thought and he was not fond of those clutches if I recall correctly. I'd go Exedy Triple metal.

Is the HKS Knock thinging only work with the FCON or is it a standalone device?

Also if you want a few extra free ponies you could consider going with an HKS or Jun intake manifold. The HKS mani made more power than the AMS in a test Buschur Racing did recently.
Why would you like the idea of pulling the WG off the collector more than the turbine housing out of curiosity. The 35HTA from Forced Performance does work well, it's an option that we can offer also. I've seen about 25whp gain over a standard 35R with it, but it still won't make the peak power a 37R will. The FP 35HTA does spool very nicely though.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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Ya so why are you going with HKS standalone. All that money seems to be a waste using that. Little people know how to use and it is way more money. Just my .02
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:46 AM
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i want ur job lol good luck with the build, and is it gonna be drag or street monter
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:52 AM
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Ya so why are you going with HKS standalone. All that money seems to be a waste using that. Little people know how to use and it is way more money. Just my .02
I dont think its wasted at all. If you have an experienced tuner who knows how to use the FCon, I believe it will run better than the AEM(personal opinion) The shop that I chose to take the car to has an experienced FCon tuner, he doesnt tune AEM. The HKS is probably harder to tune, but I think its an overall better system. I dont see how you think the HKS unit is such a waste of money.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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Why would you like the idea of pulling the WG off the collector more than the turbine housing out of curiosity. The 35HTA from Forced Performance does work well, it's an option that we can offer also. I've seen about 25whp gain over a standard 35R with it, but it still won't make the peak power a 37R will. The FP 35HTA does spool very nicely though.
I was wondering when you guys would chime in

I chose this setup to try and see what this motor could do paired with the 37R. I find the 2.3 35R to be very common, I wanted to do a setup that you dont see everyday, hence why I went with the 2.3RR. Hopefully AMS can help me answer any questions that I cannot answer for you guys. Thanks for your interest
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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u should wait for like a month cause forced performance is coming out with a hta 37r cause that what im waiting for
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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arent like the only the second guy to have used the ams 2.3RR i only seen 1 other guy here use that motor for a build but he never posted updates
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 11:36 AM
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Ya, I have seen 1 other, I believe he lives in the caribean or something. I never saw any updates either. I plan on covering every step in detail
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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your not gonna wait for the new hta 37r?
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 12:19 PM
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Why would you like the idea of pulling the WG off the collector more than the turbine housing out of curiosity. The 35HTA from Forced Performance does work well, it's an option that we can offer also. I've seen about 25whp gain over a standard 35R with it, but it still won't make the peak power a 37R will. The FP 35HTA does spool very nicely though.
I think I mis-spoke a bit. I probably should have just mentioned the difference, and not a preference. I have no complaints about my AMS kit it has never missed a beat for the last 2+ years. It's just that my car is so loud already, dumping the wastegate to atmosphere seems more efficient. And then it seems with the wastegate collector on the turbine housing you have less selection of turbine housing choices. Just some thoughts but please correct me if I am mistaken.
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Old Feb 29, 2008 | 03:12 PM
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i heard real good stuff about the f con pro
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