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Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:46 PM
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Some members have been warned in other ways, such as in a thread.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Well I believe this thread has been addressed. I stated my opinion and was answered in turn. If nothing else I would like to possibly see warning be used in questionable circumstances vs points just abound.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Just at quick glance, I can see why points were issued instead of warnings. Granted, some could have been warnings (in fact, I issued you a warning not long ago), but for the most part, I agree with them (and would be happy to discuss over PM so as not to clutter in up here)

Again, we make decisions on more than one criteria. Severity of the issue, status (membership length), etc... all come in to play
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FJF


Funny how my points began to accumulate after I took you to task publicly. Before that, nothing.

Did you get points for flaming?



Really? Mods participated in some of the threads as I, yet no one said a word until I confronted you with your own actions.

I take this to mean that attacking yours truly personally is somehow a way to escape replying on-point. Is a personal attack point-worthy?



Please don't insult the intelligence of the populous. You entered a ~20 page flame thread at the very end, uploaded a lengthy flame, closed the thread in hopes of seemingly preventing a reply, and then awarded points.

Did you get points, as well?



Huh? The whole thread was a flame exchange. No one objected other than you, even though quite a few mods were reading it. I did start threads on this very forum in hopes of seeing some responsibility on the part of (some of) the mods. Unfortunately, it was to no avail, as the discussions were closed before any resolution could be reached, one after the other. This also doesn't speak highly about the concept of equal responsibility.

This brings me to my original point. The rules can't be taken seriously, unless they apply equally to one and all.

Now, why are you fighting with me, when the OP is bent on keeping this thread on-topic? Isn't that point-worthy, as well?
They do. And if you two don't take it to PMs you'll find out first hand. You've already been asked once.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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Lzrd. I would be happy to drop you a PM. I appreciate the fact that you issued a warning as I believe I responded in turn by editing said post.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 03:13 PM
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Well, I have gathered some info in regards to the thoughts put into the rules. I just wish I could have had more of a direct contribution to this thread. As it seems it turned into a discussive thread about a rule, into one that delt directly to a said infraction (or more than 1)

Granted I tried to use my history as an example, but for only that purpose. I was explain why I recieved my points, and I agreed with it. I didnt know I was breaking the rule, but I was.

Thank you Mod's for your input in this thread.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Agreed which was not the intent. I did however get some insight into the decision process here at Boost labs.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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Honestly with the point system certain mods don't ever use the warning system, but rather go straight to points every time. This creates a need to have an appeal process or a way to reduce the total number of points.
Not true. Most mods review the users infraction/warning history. Multiple warnings/infractions, especially for the same offense, usually assures the user will not get the benefit of the doubt. New users with no history usually get warnings, members with many years here or a history of infractions don't.

Originally Posted by akunochi
Mods issue points there is no appeal for the end users.
Also not true. You of all people should know this.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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So when there is no history to review....then what. Or when every infraction comes from the same mod over and over again....just saying. This issue will be discussed via PM as this thread was not originated to discuss my history.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 03:54 PM
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No history means a clean slate, so usually the benefit of the doubt is given except for extreme examples.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by akunochi
So when there is no history to review....then what. Or when every infraction comes from the same mod over and over again....just saying. This issue will be discussed via PM as this thread was not originated to discuss my history.
I'm curious....if for example 6 infractions are upheld, what's the difference if they came from 1 Staff member or 6 different ones? Every infraction is put into a Staff forum where they are reviewed. If someone thinks an infraction is given incorrectly or a Staff member is "out to get them", there are recourses available: Talk to another Staff member or an Admin. Bad infractions do not stand, they are overturned as a few here have found out.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SASD209
I'm curious....if for example 6 infractions are upheld, what's the difference if they came from 1 Staff member or 6 different ones? Every infraction is put into a Staff forum where they are reviewed. If someone thinks an infraction is given incorrectly or a Staff member is "out to get them", there are recourses available: Talk to another Staff member or an Admin. Bad infractions do not stand, they are overturned as a few here have found out.
Honestly, I find it hard to believe that you were always the first to respond to every post, and that you felt EVERY infraction has deserved points and some not a warning considering you have never given me that chance. Furthermore, I'm sure that no mod is going against your word as a Supermod. This is my opinion...There's more but i don't want you to feel disrespected.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by akunochi
Honestly, I find it hard to believe that you were always the first to respond to every post, and that you felt EVERY infraction has deserved points and some not a warning considering you have never given me that chance. Furthermore, I'm sure that no mod is going against your word as a Supermod. This is my opinion...There's more but i don't want you to feel disrespected.
My post was a response to your question, not your situation.....I will not discuss your personal record in public.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by akunochi
Most likely because every infraction save two if I recall correctly has come from one moderator....
That happens, there are quite a few people that have received all their infractions from me but I'm not biased towards them in the least, they just happened to make all their remarks in areas that I spend time.
Old Jul 22, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by akunochi
Honestly, I find it hard to believe that you were always the first to respond to every post, and that you felt EVERY infraction has deserved points and some not a warning considering you have never given me that chance. Furthermore, I'm sure that no mod is going against your word as a Supermod. This is my opinion...There's more but i don't want you to feel disrespected.
In defense of JD, I usually checked reported posts, especially in OT, and only once in the entire time I was a mod thought an inappropriate action was taken, and that may not have even been him (thinking it was Amby). In that case, it was simply an infraction when I thought a warning may have sufficed, but it was borderline and the consensus was that it was reasonable. JD seems like the ******* around here, but that's mostly because he's also on more than just about any other moderator and is diligent. Basically, he's beating the other mods to the punch.

You can appeal to the higher authority (Speedlimit and/or SPT) but it's rare when a moderator does something so egregious that it gets overturned.

I think the original context of this thread boils down to people who broke rules, in some cases repeatedly, want a way out. The 99% of users who never get a warning or infraction don't care because they follow the rules. The 1% who do want to bend the system in their favor. None of the mods (or former mods) single people out, there's just too much to read to follow people around hoping they slip up.



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