I don't know why people are saying there is no record, what do you think the points system is?

 

Clean up time. Let us try to keep this on topic. No more off topic posts of any kind will be tolerated. This is the final warning.

 

There are no plans to remove points over time.

The point system was implemented to address a chronic problem with a small number of members who continually caused problems. It documents the warnings/infractions and automatically bans a member when a total accumulated point total is reached. The length of the ban is proportional to the number of points collected. The idea was to identify the problem member's and hopefully change their behavior. Making the points temporary removes the leverage of he system. I would also point out that 99% of all warnings and infractions are the result of moderator's responding to reported post initiated by members. Thanks.


From the Evom Announcements - Posted by spt (site owner) February 2007

I've decided to add a new point system to help control some of the issues we have been experiencing lately. We all have to remember that this is a car forum first before anything else and after seeing some the latest drama on the site I feel something needs to be in place.

The points scale is listed below. All the points listed will NEVER expire so be careful that you don't break any of the rules below because it will lead to a ban. Also know that the admins can at any time assign a custom set of points. It will depend on the severity of the infraction.

Hopefully this will help everyone stay focused on helping the site grow into a more positive resource.


Posting off topic items within a thread or causing a thread to go off topic = 2
Posting off topic threads in the Advanced Sections = 3
Multiple Posting = 3
Misleading Link = 3
Breaking any forum rule not mentioned here = 5
Spamming = 5
Dodging the 50 Post Private Classifieds Rule = 5
Insubordination = 5
Dodging The Swear Filter = 5
Flaming = 5
Vending without Vendor Membership = 5
Posting Inappropriate Content = 10
Vendor to Vendor Flaming = 15
Disrespect Towards Staff (Mods, Admins, EvoM staff members) = 15
Racist, Prejudice Remarks = 15
Multiple User Accounts = 15



Total Amount of Points = Ban Time

10 points = 1 day ban
20 points = 3 day ban
31 points = 2 week ban
40 points = 1 month ban
46 points = 6 month ban
50+ points = perm ban

 

can i give MY OPINION or am i gonna be reemed out again for what I think??

 

I don't have a clue what you are talking about. If you have additional comments that are on topic then fire away.

 

We encourage everyone to give opinions

 

I'm curious...

5 POINTS for "breaking a rule that is not mentioned here"??!!?? How can you "break a forum rule that is not mentioned here" if its well, not mentioned here and made known? That to me seems like a blatant attempt to CYA at the expense of a member.

Case in point, just an example but say I buy a bottle of booze and start drinking it at my house. Police bust in and arrest me for too high of an alcohol content in the bottle. 1) I had no idea it was a law, 2) it was "never mentioned" anywhere 3) there'd be a whole lot of repercussions for such a thing...

-E

 

well i dont know if its on topic or not. it is however about 2 mods in this forum and the points system.

1st the points system. if these rules are in forced then they need to be enforced to EVERYONE. members mods admin vendors. clearly this does NOT happen.

i have points for a reason i think is total bull ****. i was attacked and i stood up for my self. i dont know about you or the others in this forum or anywhere for that matter but when i am attacked i speak up and stand my ground. i am not a little sissy. i dont take **** from no one. if you got a problem and start pm'ing me and posting **** up on a forum then i have every right to back my self up. i am NOT going to go sit in the corner or run away or tell a mod someone made me upset. and i dont even feel what i said/did was out of line. the moral of the issue was a kid called me out with many other words said. i stood up and said then lets go sissy. bring it on. it was about a race i be leave. and SAS which clearly has a problem with me from the getco gives me flaming points. i called bs with him and he gave me **** in pm. i went else where for justice and got ignored. i am not gonna go on as im just lil ol evodan member and mean nothing to no one here.

lastly i busted 2 mods at the time for braking the rules. i called them out on it and there powers enabled them to delete the posts. which where bashing me, flaming, and braking rules. 2 out of how ever many mods this site has has it out for me. i really dont care. i lost respect for a lot of things after these to problems went down. i get along with a few mods here very well. and its a shame that the bad rasins give the good grapes a sour name. this is a sum up reply. there is much much detail left out on both sides. ill stop here as im getting heated for something months ago that happened and never really was resolved nor ever will be.

 

It is a CYA for us, and we try to rarely use it. Its really for when something falls into a grey area that could be applied to more than one rule.

 

I'll paraphrase from memory more or less the advice given to me on another forum. I think it applies here also, and it may answer your question:

We cannot provide a comprehensive list of "Things Not To Say". Posts that are contrary to our rules, may be edited or deleted at our sole discretion. Membership may be revoked if such a step is deemed necessary by us. We're a private venture enabled by an all-volunteer staff. Please treat this venue as a polite discussion in a friend's home and respect the wishes of the hosts.

 

HA my post needs editing ..... i am heated and i typed it out fast. sorry i did not clean it up.

 

Fair enough... Curious, how often has that infraction been applied?

-E

 

When I was moderating, I gave points to another moderator and banned more than one vendor. It happens, but the general users have no visibility of it, and only limited visibility of the infractions given to other users (when they see account disabled). As a result a small share of users think the staff has it out for them, which is completely untrue. I can't speak for all the moderators, but the supermods get as many as 20 reported posts some days, and read 100s of threads every day. When the same person gets reported for 2 or 3 separate posts in one day, do you think the issue is the moderator or the user?

The points system works great for keeping track of which reported threads have and have not been reviewed. Immense time saver and a good way to ensure someone has reviewed those threads.

Wicked, "breaking a rule that is not mentioned here" is a good option for enforcing rules in the TOS all members agreed to when they signed up, but which don't have a specific entry in the points system. The last time I used it was for a member who preferred to refer to various minorities by derogatory slang terms. It's pretty obviously against the rules but doesn't have a line item in the points system.

evodan, I remember that thread, and it may have been me who gave you the points, either that or SASD did and I reviewed all the infractions from the thread. You were both out of line, both broke the rules. Not sure what else to say that isn't more off-topic than this already is.

 

That infraction is basically just a safety net or secret weapon in cases where someone clearly needs to be warned but they haven't actually broken a rule. As an obvious example, someone posting in 50 threads in one go just to fulfill the 50 post for sale rule. They haven't flamed anyone, they haven't multiple posted in the strictest sense of the term but clearly mass-posting responses like "yeah" or "awesome" just so you can sell things makes a mockery of the 50 post rule. Another example would be someone writing in all caps, having sigs that are too long/disruptive, etc.

 

Half of which are from me...

-E