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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Lectric_Blu_IX
This isn't my job...also, who said anything about moderators? I could just be describing a conversation that someone had with someone I know...

So if I say "You're a nasty meany" with the intent that I'd like to kill you, I'm going to get banned for it? I don't think so...because no one can prove that's my intent, they're just words...

Besides, if the concern is a "family friendly site", I highly doubt most kids are going to appreciate what "Fellate my phallus" actually means...
The words and the intent are important and up for moderator interpretation.
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Webman
Where does it says that in the rules?



Sorry, but that right there, is NOT stated in your rules.
Um, it's explicitly stated in rule #6. In fact, it IS rule #6.
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Webman

2. I am now being told that modifying a word to bypass the word filter, is against the rules, but that's not in the rules anywhere either.
Yes, it is. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...uncements.html
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
The words and the intent are important and up for moderator interpretation.
I can't argue with that, and I appreciate your response.

I don't support censorship in any venue, because I think that freedom of expression should be just that: free. When people other than ourselves determine what other people should find acceptable, it becomes a little too "Orwellian" for my tastes.

But I love EvoM, and I do my best to try to abide by the prescribed standards...they're just not my standards.
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Is this thread really happening? I mean, really, are you guys seriously debating what is profanity on a car enthusiast forum? I'm not trying to be a richard head but i thought this was an automotive forum, lol.
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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"Richard Head", that's good!

A nice "case in point" too...we all know what the intent of "Richard Head" is here, but no one's getting banned...(and for good reason)
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Lectric_Blu_IX
"Richard Head", that's good!

A nice "case in point" too...we all know what the intent of "Richard Head" is here, but no one's getting banned...(and for good reason)
lol, thats my friends grandpa's name lol, poor guy
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:33 PM
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Awesome, still not in your rules...
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
Um, it's explicitly stated in rule #6. In fact, it IS rule #6.
Um, that's the vocabulary list...
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:36 PM
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Wait, are we all looking at something different?

Here's the ruleset I am looking at:
https://www.evolutionm.net/features/article.php?id=54#8

If that's the case, then you guys aren't being consistent, and you have your rules spread all over the place... Try having only one place for your forum rules, not fifteen different locations, and 100+ threads with little tidbit additions
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by otter
If it's blocked by the swear filter or some type of slur, it's profanity. If you bypass a word blocked by the swear filter, that's breaking the rules. It's pretty self-explanatory.
Originally Posted by ambystom01
If you're grandma would slap you for saying it, it's a profanity. Now grow the **** up and look at pictures of cats.
My grandma would slap me for saying a lot of the words that aren't blocked, but that's because she's LDS. The other day I said the "cat" word and it wasn't blocked, that's the only one that has surprised me, since "the d word" (which isn't) and **** (the boy c word) and **** (the girl c word) are blocked. I think the sexual ones need to be adjusted a bit. Rooster is no different than a cat, and yet one is blocked and one isn't!

I, for one, love the swear filter, intelligent people can figure out what you've said (most likely) without even having to dodge around it or do things like I did above, but people who don't want to read that stuff, don't have to. It's ****ing awesome!

Originally Posted by Webman
Where does it says that in the rules?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...uncements.html

Scroll down to the second post (can't be that hard). Dodging The Swear Filter = 5 is right in the middle

Originally Posted by Webman
Maybe for you, but you're saying that the term "profanity" has a hard line. But like I said, they don't block the word "***", nor do they block things like "god damn" which can be very offensiveand considered profanity, to religious types. You are 100% wrong to say that the definition of "profanify" is the same for everyone.

Nice try, but there are no words I can't use in front of my boss. Sorry, but I just don't live in the 1950s anymore. Since a portion of my job deals with pornography, the F word is used all over the place. As a matter of fact, if you use some other gay *** word, you'll get laughed at by all kinds of people in the industry. The proper term is the F word.
Yes, religions have their rules, but this isn't a religion. It is a PRIVATELY owned website, that can make up whatever rules they want.

You're still in high school aren't you? Who uses gay (and more importantly "gay ***") that way anymore? Not any mature people I've met, and I have some pretty outrageous friends that do all sorts of crude things. Speaking of that technically you broke the last rule: Racist, Prejudice Remarks = 15 Unless you meant gay as in homosexual/happy, but I'm pretty sure you meant "stupid"

Originally Posted by 'Lectric_Blu_IX
I don't support censorship in any venue, because I think that freedom of expression should be just that: free. When people other than ourselves determine what other people should find acceptable, it becomes a little too "Orwellian" for my tastes.
Read above, it is privately owned, you have freedom of whatever they want you to have freedom here.

Originally Posted by Webman
If that's the case, then you guys aren't being consistent, and you have your rules spread all over the place... Try having only one place for your forum rules, not fifteen different locations, and 100+ threads with little tidbit additions
I do agree with this though... someone needs to get together ALL the rules and clearly lay them all out somewhere, because things are spread all over and defined weird in one place and normal in another. But, again, it is a private thread, they don't even have to list the rules anywhere, they can just perma-ban you because your name is Webman

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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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Something else to consider - what is and is not profanity is also determined by web filters. Another reason for our rules is to avoid getting flagged by content filters, whether it be something like net nanny, or a corporate web filter.
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Originally Posted by Webman
Wait, are we all looking at something different?

Here's the ruleset I am looking at:
https://www.evolutionm.net/features/article.php?id=54#8

If that's the case, then you guys aren't being consistent, and you have your rules spread all over the place... Try having only one place for your forum rules, not fifteen different locations, and 100+ threads with little tidbit additions
The official rules are in one place and one place only - the announcement that appears at the top of every forum on EvoM.
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Lectric_Blu_IX
I can't argue with that, and I appreciate your response.

I don't support censorship in any venue, because I think that freedom of expression should be just that: free. When people other than ourselves determine what other people should find acceptable, it becomes a little too "Orwellian" for my tastes.

But I love EvoM, and I do my best to try to abide by the prescribed standards...they're just not my standards.
This isn't a public forum and by giving people the right to say whatever they want, the site moderators/owners would ultimately be restricting whether people can access it work, school, home, etc. By imposing a series of rules, they ultimately make it more free in that sense.
Old Apr 24, 2009 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
This isn't a public forum and by giving people the right to say whatever they want, the site moderators/owners would ultimately be restricting whether people can access it work, school, home, etc. By imposing a series of rules, they ultimately make it more free in that sense.
I can appreciate your suggestion, but I still will never agree with the principle behind it. As I said, I don't support linguistic censorship in ANY venue, including the workplace or EvoM.

I don't hold EvoM responsible for what the "World" as a whole accepts as far as language is concerned; neither do I think they should feel compelled to enforce it as such. I think that people who judge others on the basis of their vernacular are simple-minded and are in no positition to govern what others think or do.

We are all born here on this planet, and we depend on others to help us learn how to survive. I just don't think that words, which happen to be mere synonyms of "accepted" words, should be used to empower others to govern our speech...



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