That actually made me laugh inside.

 

So what your basically saying is that you've never been involved in the actual business side of the club, the side which people are haveing problems with... Then your opinion's just as bad as mine.

 

Well... it's been openly admitted that it does happen, so go ahead, and dont agree with it.
amen to that!
That's good that you've been having a great experience with the club, however, the issue at hand is not the 'members' nor the guys that the club is ran by, but rather the Group Buys and owner's choice to take a cut off of it.

 

Start by not taking a cut off the items sold 'to put towards the next group buy'

Treat all members equally (no tier pricing for 'regulars')
->Offer the best price to all members, new or old, the price should also be going down as the number of units of the item sold goes up.

Money that goes into the club should be voluntary, not 'asked for' from those running group buys or from cuts off TLC group buys.

Support will be gained as traffic of the club goes up, and so will venders who will donate to the club for them to be advertised.

Speaking as a complete outsider to the lancer world (go ahead and run a IP check and see if it matches anyother members') this should not how a club should be ran.

 

I will entertain these challenges and questions openly... As an outsider, I have no problem answer these questions, but I think your vision is not seeing the greater pictures. Second, there are things in the works that speaks to exactly what you are saying.

The reason why I think your logic is flawed in this matter is because you assume that the overall goal is to operate the club in the manner you just discribed. This is very far off the mark. There is a program that I have launched and I am happy to say is very close to be finalized that will take the club out of the equation and give TLC members a closer relationship with local dealerships as well as local vendors.

Second. I assume you have some experience running a club since you have handed down a great list of ideal you think are top priorities. Unfortunately following the club in the purest form as stated by you would fail. There are costs of operating a group buy, both seen and unseen. It takes commited members to step up and hold them selves out there when the going gets rough... some weather this well, some dont. And trust me there are some group buys that are as pure as you want them to be and dont happen very well. Your examination of the club also fails to address the overall operational cost as well. I would highly encourage you to check with Evolutionm.net and check into how much the vendor status costs... Web costs, web development costs. Decal printing costs... hmmm where does it end lol

I am glad to say that the club runs in a revenue neutral manner and is supported by the club as a whole. Speaking of voluntary donations, by any means... if anyone out there wants to cut a check to help the club... that would be nice but that generally doesnt happen to often and when it does its not alot of money. that said. 1 cent, or 100 dollars means equally as much. And its a great thing to see people support the club, if they arent able to donate money, they donate their time. When a Vendor steps up and donates resources or capital it goes a long way to advance the club. Unless you think this is something Sinister and evil about this. An example would be the first ever TLC dyno Day sponsored by Mobil 1 https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...round-1-a.html

But I will make this response more simplified.

If you have something that you wish to contribute, say for example.... Organizing a group buy... I am all ears and would gladly welcome your help. If you are as confident as you are sounding... then sure.

To be very honest with you, I am not doing this for profit, I started this car club just cause, I saw there was a need for it. My greatest wish for it would be to see it grow into a great club which has a solid administration structure and can manage itself. Believe me, there are other for profit ventures I could purse... but i cant just because I am stuck wearing to hats. And this ties my hands severely.

That said... the growth of the car club has been great and it will continue to grow. As the structure gets stronger. There have and always will be miss steps, failures... but addressing them is the key. I have no problem listening to constructive feedback... I have no problem admitting i am wrong when someone expresses it in away where it leads to a clear way of moving forward.

Both AJ and Infamous as well as other have done this and it has lead to changes for the better. unfortunately, not many people know of the hardwork that is done behind the scenes.


In closing...
WoW, I would say, a few months there are changes and new things coming that might.... just might impress you. its all a matter of time.

 

one more thing...

No one is stopping anyone from doing a group buy... The only issue is, I will not slap the club name on just any group buy unless certain bases have been covered. for example, (this is just a loose list of things, for example sake)

1) how secure is it
2) is the a track record of quality
3) if there is a problem, will the buyer have options.

THere is nothing worse then having a group buy blow and people lose money. Then everyone turns there eyes onthe club, and its the club that gets a bad name.

Sometimes all of those things are met, but we just have so much going on that I just cant get to it at the time. I think this was mentioned before, both public and privately with some members that had alot of good ideas. Thats unfortunate when it happens, but the can only do so much at once.

Also, I do not own this forum, only admins and moderators investigate IP traffic... the whole point of evolutionm.net partnership was to ensure independent moderation. Which means... anyone can talk about anything they like. So long as it is respectful and stays on topic.
This rule applies to everyone... so please refrain from harsh words,, its fine to debate a topic but chucking insults gets us all nowhere fast. I think it was ADMIN SASD209 that said it best.

"And we should all keep this on-topic please. If there are any personal attacks or any other douchebaggery, I will deal with it most severely. Carry on, Canada." -SASD209

lol classic

 

first im not gonna try and be a dick to you but when you come on here and start saying the club is exposed and dumb **** like that you gotta know its gonna **** people off that run and are part of the club , dumb idea but great way to make alot of rivals

i havnt done a group buy because as cash said i dont want the same **** everyone else has i wana keep my ride different from the next one , and my opinion does matter cuz i know what the **** goes on , you jus heard someone talk some **** and are going off that


group buys are done to get product for cheaper then if you were to go at it alone , no one is forced to buy nothing , but if someone was making a lil something off a group buy because they did all the work for it , as long as your getting your **** cheaper then where is the problem ? your getting your product cheaper who ****ing cares

**** maybe tlc should become a buisness then we could get cheaper shipping rates

 

Infamous hold back the cussin jus a lil.

No need to get riled up about one person and their daddy's opinion on how this particular club operates. Doesn't own a lancer, Not part of the club. Just an Opinionated young individual that has to run to daddy then join a forum just to start ****.

Your an insider so you know what is involved, leave the logistics to Soul.

 

im good man , i jus swear alot , thats jus how i am

 

I know. I'm the same.

 

Well... we're not trying to make 'rivals'... it's not like we're on the track or something

And yes, i did know it was going to **** a few people off, but i felt it's worth it to try and get the owner [Soul] to let everyone know what's actually going on behind the scenes.

There are a few 'Members' of the club who doesn't believe in the ethics of the club, but just havent said anything yet as they'd rather just not deal with TLC. Believe me, there are.
Pretty much. That and what Evo_Soul has said under this topic. Read up a few posts.

Totally contradicts the point of even having a Club. It might as well just be a contact list for 'members' to have when they want new parts. So much for helping each other out...

Again, MANY TLC members disagree with that.



You don't need to be a BUSINESS to get cheaper shipping rates. FedEx offers their discount to all account holders.... Unless you have a contract with them shipping regularly scheduled shipments, it's the same price for everyone (Small Business / Peronal)



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And you're right, i don't even own a Lancer. Maybe that's why i'm raising my voice on this issue.
I don't think what i drive matters though, i'm just speaking as a car guy.
[And i can care less about what fellow members think about me and what i drive... you can out turn, out brake, and out drive me for all i care (doubtful), But as long as i don't rip off fellow car guys in group buys, i'm happy]

 

Yep...

I wouldn't say that i'm starting **** tho... It's not like im going around saying that the lancer is all show no go (excluding the Evos) or anything like that.

Simply raising the issue, and responding to Soul's request to post recommendations.

 

Two of your points here I am taking issue with, and I rather you be very specific with both instead of being nebulous with your answers.

1) lets entertain your assumption that shipping rates are cheap. FEDEX has a one all solution for anyone. Then you can tell me how you would solve this problem. 10 people want a bodykit lip for the mitsubishi lancer.

Lips cost 300 dollars each.

to ship one lip in a box costs about 500 to 800 dollars. why? Volumetric weight.
to ship 10 lips the cost comes in at about 1100 - 1400 dollars. Now how would you suggest one solve this equation. Since of course it doesnt take into consideration customs and duty, cost of inspection, insurance?


2) You are implying that people are being ripped off, can you please provide me a link / group buy where this has taken place. Then ask those involved if they feel as you are describing it. If you think someone is getting ripped off. Then be specific and highlight the point. If you cant provide a specific point, then I suggest giving the argument a rest. Also and I think this was raised before.

No one is being forced to do anything they dont want to do. no one roles up to a car club meet and holds a gun to a TLC members head and said, hand over the money and take these products for higher prices. your argument is laughable because, you are implying that this club is the only one that exists and everyone is a slave to it.

Is the system perfect? no, not by a long shot. is it improving, many would say yes. the point from you and your father is more than "armchair speculation. How can you draw an opinion without participation. How can you say you like or dislike something without being part of it or trying it. Kinda reminds me of my Sprint booster rant. lol but I think I will hold off on that.

 

My reply was to the comment i quoted. Again, i'll quote it just in case you missed it.

What you're talking about is shipping multiplel items in one package, you're right, that saves money. The savings should be passed on to the members. All Group Buys run that way.

 

Anyone who bough the tires at the 'higher' price has been ripped off IMO.

and... thankyou.