What is Toronto Lancer Club?
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if someone retained their receipt of the tires purchased at the dealership where this was valid, when they returned to by another set, it would have been discounted.
That model has been discontinued since the growth of the club is such that agreements can be made with vendors and dealerships that are now based on other factors.
That model has been discontinued since the growth of the club is such that agreements can be made with vendors and dealerships that are now based on other factors.
Let me correct you before you make anymore wrong assumptions. I wouldn't call it promoting.. I made a sentence stating I had an option. I didn't post a link even. If I wanted to promote them I would. For one they aren't totally complete yet, second, once they are finished, I still need to verify with soul its ok to market them at that point. Your right if I was bringing in the projectors from else where I would offer them at the cost + shipping+duty/brokerage.. The difference being, I'm manufacturing the projectors myself. I've spend thousands in R&D so yes I will be making a profit. Now if a member on the board bought say 10 kits, and I sold them to him for a discounted price, and he went on here and sold them to members with a mark up, I disagree with that. They should be sold at the price he bought them at. after all what did he do really to justify a profit?
I'm not saying your not saving money when doing a group buy.. and everyone is a big boy and girl to make their own educated decisions, but I feel if money is being taken behind the scenes, it should be made aware up front, $10 from this purchase will go to webhosting, or t shirts..ect.. If you don't like it, to bad.. then you dont participate in the group buy.. but at least its keeping everyone informed and honest. thats my take on it anyway.
I'm not saying your not saving money when doing a group buy.. and everyone is a big boy and girl to make their own educated decisions, but I feel if money is being taken behind the scenes, it should be made aware up front, $10 from this purchase will go to webhosting, or t shirts..ect.. If you don't like it, to bad.. then you dont participate in the group buy.. but at least its keeping everyone informed and honest. thats my take on it anyway.
Okay so you know how much time and effort goes on behind the scenes to make a group buy successful. At no point have you asked to be given a portion of sales is noble of you, however, I would like to point out that you promoted your own projectors on another thread. I don't know what the final cost of your projectors would be, but if you're saying that there will be no profit to be made, then you'd be offering your projectors at the cost you received them at. Let's see how that works out.
you're right Soul isn't a delivery man, but the point is it takes time to give everyone their parts. Chasing them down and meeting with them. In a perfect world, everyone would show up to meets and pick up their parts. There really are no hidden fees. If extra money was given because it was difficult to predict custom/tariffs, the left over is refunded back to the person. Also, at the time of posting, the price was listed and if you were willing to pay $500 for a part then that's the price it is. If you wanted to get the same part for cheaper, you always have the option to organize your own group buy and deal with the seller yourself. If you don't like the prices, don't come in on the group buy. It's simple. In the end, you're still saving money.
you're right Soul isn't a delivery man, but the point is it takes time to give everyone their parts. Chasing them down and meeting with them. In a perfect world, everyone would show up to meets and pick up their parts. There really are no hidden fees. If extra money was given because it was difficult to predict custom/tariffs, the left over is refunded back to the person. Also, at the time of posting, the price was listed and if you were willing to pay $500 for a part then that's the price it is. If you wanted to get the same part for cheaper, you always have the option to organize your own group buy and deal with the seller yourself. If you don't like the prices, don't come in on the group buy. It's simple. In the end, you're still saving money.
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I am dead serious, only because the manufacturer insists that these tires are High performance tires. They even seem to think they are all seasons. which is a joke in itself. Now someone correct me if I am wrong. But someone in Canada Corp Mitsubishi signed off on the idea of putting these tires on the "Baby EVO" 2009 RalliArt. The SP5000M does it make sense.... no! could they have picked a better tires, Yes...
So if things make you laugh... thats fine, I laugh all the time too. But My beef isnt with Michelin, My beef is with dunlops. Which is funny, because when I talk to their sister company Good Year they seem not bad.
So if things make you laugh... thats fine, I laugh all the time too. But My beef isnt with Michelin, My beef is with dunlops. Which is funny, because when I talk to their sister company Good Year they seem not bad.
Second, it sounds to me like you're blaming Mitsubishi for putting them on the Lancers, why arn't you hating on misu and not driving their vehicles?
Finally, would you really consider a RalliArt a High Performance vehicle? i mean, it's a lancer with the DriveTrain out of the evo, It still rides on the Lancer suspension, gets a tranny that has a power cap, but it does get great seats... It doesn't even get Vented rear rotors.
I wouldn't be calling a WRX or a TT-S a high performance vehicle just because it has a wing and more power.
Now as you said, High performance tires are everywhere. So I seek options that work for the car and Exceed the OE tire. lol which isnt hard to do. But the tires sourced to be in dealership are a pretty damn good deal wouldnt you say. But the fact that in the past, (not now) funds were directed to the next buy were so blasphemous. Anyways... I dont know.. its kinda like beating a dead horse talking about this.
I have nothing against if only everyone paid the same price, and didn't do the 'Save next time' thing.
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The other members should be doing this, if someone can't make it to a meet, a members of the club who lives in the same area could drive it back for them.
Where does all the items get shipped to?
2) again, (seller not taking profit and investing to get cheaper prices down the road = bad
Seller stating he is taking a profit cut good = Good
What about the fact that I state I am taking profit and then secretly directly it for cheaper prices in the future. Is that Sorta bad? lol
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pull you head outta your *** dude
Okay, I don’t think I’m using the term incorrectly. To promote something is to make the public aware that you have a product to sell. But I’m not here to discuss terminology since it’s not the point of this thread and this post is not meant to be an attack on you.
I think the point I was trying to make about saving money was lost in the last post.
Okay, so lets use your example of making projectors. Keep in mind this is hypothetical.
Say you make 10 projectors and a friend says to you that he would like to order 10 from you to do a group buy.
Being a friend, you would be more inclined to give a discount. Say you charge him $100 each. He then turns around and tells everyone he’ll charge $101 for each projector and that the funds generated from the sale will go towards expanding the club.
Person 2 approaches you and asks for the same thing and you quote them at $101 since you don’t know this person and have never done business with them before. So person 2 posts that he’ll sell them to everyone at $101 end of story.
So you asked, what did person 1 do that person 2 did not?
Person 1, built and maintained a relationship in order to get everyone a discount and is in the process of creating a better club.
You save money either choice you go with, but option 1 provides the chance of a better club with more discounts in future group buys with the same vendor. Business relations take time and money to establish and maintain. Most vendors are not going to give you a really good discount out of the goodness of their hearts.
Is person 1 really making a profit if that money goes towards expanding the club, creating more business connections to get cheaper pricing, holding events, printing cards etc, etc?
If there really was that much profit to be had in doing a group buy, don’t you think all of TLC would be TEN (Evo) instead?
Let me give a more concrete example. My latest group buy, I approached the vendor and asked for a discount to be given to all TLC members. I also asked that he donate a portion of sales back to the club. I have no control over what he donates. If he says he’ll donate $1, then it’ll be $1 towards the club and not in my pocket. Anybody who had their projectors done will know that not a cent passed through my hands. Again, required me to go and make the business connection first in order to pave the way for future members to benefit. I stress the fact that members benefit, not myself.
I have no idea where that $1 will end up because projects are always on the go. Some projects take off, while others do not. If I told people that the $1 would go towards making tshirts, and those tshirts get scrapped, what then? Is everyone going to yell and scream about it? Or would they be understanding that the funds have been moved towards another project? Projects come and go all the time. It’s hard to pinpoint exactly where each cent will be allocated to because of projects changing. Point is, to be able to track where each cent goes and how it’s being allocated would require some real @nal auditors to do it.
So is the club better than when it started? Obviously! There are more new members, more people willing to help expand the club with new ideas, more events, and more options for our cars that are cheaper. Isn’t that what you want to establish in a good club?
So in the future it’d be nice to have people look at the big picture, understand the facts of what goes on behind a group buy in a club, and stop ASSuming that TLC is trying to milk you for all you got with that shoot em all and let God sort it out attitude.
If you don’t like the group buy ins, don’t participate in them. Go get what you need elsewhere.
I think the point I was trying to make about saving money was lost in the last post.
Okay, so lets use your example of making projectors. Keep in mind this is hypothetical.
Say you make 10 projectors and a friend says to you that he would like to order 10 from you to do a group buy.
Being a friend, you would be more inclined to give a discount. Say you charge him $100 each. He then turns around and tells everyone he’ll charge $101 for each projector and that the funds generated from the sale will go towards expanding the club.
Person 2 approaches you and asks for the same thing and you quote them at $101 since you don’t know this person and have never done business with them before. So person 2 posts that he’ll sell them to everyone at $101 end of story.
So you asked, what did person 1 do that person 2 did not?
Person 1, built and maintained a relationship in order to get everyone a discount and is in the process of creating a better club.
You save money either choice you go with, but option 1 provides the chance of a better club with more discounts in future group buys with the same vendor. Business relations take time and money to establish and maintain. Most vendors are not going to give you a really good discount out of the goodness of their hearts.
Is person 1 really making a profit if that money goes towards expanding the club, creating more business connections to get cheaper pricing, holding events, printing cards etc, etc?
If there really was that much profit to be had in doing a group buy, don’t you think all of TLC would be TEN (Evo) instead?
Let me give a more concrete example. My latest group buy, I approached the vendor and asked for a discount to be given to all TLC members. I also asked that he donate a portion of sales back to the club. I have no control over what he donates. If he says he’ll donate $1, then it’ll be $1 towards the club and not in my pocket. Anybody who had their projectors done will know that not a cent passed through my hands. Again, required me to go and make the business connection first in order to pave the way for future members to benefit. I stress the fact that members benefit, not myself.
I have no idea where that $1 will end up because projects are always on the go. Some projects take off, while others do not. If I told people that the $1 would go towards making tshirts, and those tshirts get scrapped, what then? Is everyone going to yell and scream about it? Or would they be understanding that the funds have been moved towards another project? Projects come and go all the time. It’s hard to pinpoint exactly where each cent will be allocated to because of projects changing. Point is, to be able to track where each cent goes and how it’s being allocated would require some real @nal auditors to do it.
So is the club better than when it started? Obviously! There are more new members, more people willing to help expand the club with new ideas, more events, and more options for our cars that are cheaper. Isn’t that what you want to establish in a good club?
So in the future it’d be nice to have people look at the big picture, understand the facts of what goes on behind a group buy in a club, and stop ASSuming that TLC is trying to milk you for all you got with that shoot em all and let God sort it out attitude.
If you don’t like the group buy ins, don’t participate in them. Go get what you need elsewhere.
Let me correct you before you make anymore wrong assumptions. I wouldn't call it promoting.. I made a sentence stating I had an option. I didn't post a link even. If I wanted to promote them I would. For one they aren't totally complete yet, second, once they are finished, I still need to verify with soul its ok to market them at that point. Your right if I was bringing in the projectors from else where I would offer them at the cost + shipping+duty/brokerage.. The difference being, I'm manufacturing the projectors myself. I've spend thousands in R&D so yes I will be making a profit. Now if a member on the board bought say 10 kits, and I sold them to him for a discounted price, and he went on here and sold them to members with a mark up, I disagree with that. They should be sold at the price he bought them at. after all what did he do really to justify a profit?
I'm not saying your not saving money when doing a group buy.. and everyone is a big boy and girl to make their own educated decisions, but I feel if money is being taken behind the scenes, it should be made aware up front, $10 from this purchase will go to webhosting, or t shirts..ect.. If you don't like it, to bad.. then you dont participate in the group buy.. but at least its keeping everyone informed and honest. thats my take on it anyway.
I'm not saying your not saving money when doing a group buy.. and everyone is a big boy and girl to make their own educated decisions, but I feel if money is being taken behind the scenes, it should be made aware up front, $10 from this purchase will go to webhosting, or t shirts..ect.. If you don't like it, to bad.. then you dont participate in the group buy.. but at least its keeping everyone informed and honest. thats my take on it anyway.
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You really should, as I'm trying to sort out whether you have a legitimate opinion or just trolling. In any case, you have expressed your view and it's time to let others discuss the OP's topic. Please refrain from any additional posts in this thread. If you have specific first hand knowledge of events you would like to pass on, then please PM me. Thanks.
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I spoke personally with infamous last night and had all my questions and concerns cleared up.
Okay, I don’t think I’m using the term incorrectly. To promote something is to make the public aware that you have a product to sell. But I’m not here to discuss terminology since it’s not the point of this thread and this post is not meant to be an attack on you.
I think the point I was trying to make about saving money was lost in the last post.
Okay, so lets use your example of making projectors. Keep in mind this is hypothetical.
Say you make 10 projectors and a friend says to you that he would like to order 10 from you to do a group buy.
Being a friend, you would be more inclined to give a discount. Say you charge him $100 each. He then turns around and tells everyone he’ll charge $101 for each projector and that the funds generated from the sale will go towards expanding the club.
Person 2 approaches you and asks for the same thing and you quote them at $101 since you don’t know this person and have never done business with them before. So person 2 posts that he’ll sell them to everyone at $101 end of story.
So you asked, what did person 1 do that person 2 did not?
Person 1, built and maintained a relationship in order to get everyone a discount and is in the process of creating a better club.
You save money either choice you go with, but option 1 provides the chance of a better club with more discounts in future group buys with the same vendor. Business relations take time and money to establish and maintain. Most vendors are not going to give you a really good discount out of the goodness of their hearts.
Is person 1 really making a profit if that money goes towards expanding the club, creating more business connections to get cheaper pricing, holding events, printing cards etc, etc?
If there really was that much profit to be had in doing a group buy, don’t you think all of TLC would be TEN (Evo) instead?
Let me give a more concrete example. My latest group buy, I approached the vendor and asked for a discount to be given to all TLC members. I also asked that he donate a portion of sales back to the club. I have no control over what he donates. If he says he’ll donate $1, then it’ll be $1 towards the club and not in my pocket. Anybody who had their projectors done will know that not a cent passed through my hands. Again, required me to go and make the business connection first in order to pave the way for future members to benefit. I stress the fact that members benefit, not myself.
I have no idea where that $1 will end up because projects are always on the go. Some projects take off, while others do not. If I told people that the $1 would go towards making tshirts, and those tshirts get scrapped, what then? Is everyone going to yell and scream about it? Or would they be understanding that the funds have been moved towards another project? Projects come and go all the time. It’s hard to pinpoint exactly where each cent will be allocated to because of projects changing. Point is, to be able to track where each cent goes and how it’s being allocated would require some real @nal auditors to do it.
So is the club better than when it started? Obviously! There are more new members, more people willing to help expand the club with new ideas, more events, and more options for our cars that are cheaper. Isn’t that what you want to establish in a good club?
So in the future it’d be nice to have people look at the big picture, understand the facts of what goes on behind a group buy in a club, and stop ASSuming that TLC is trying to milk you for all you got with that shoot em all and let God sort it out attitude.
If you don’t like the group buy ins, don’t participate in them. Go get what you need elsewhere.
I think the point I was trying to make about saving money was lost in the last post.
Okay, so lets use your example of making projectors. Keep in mind this is hypothetical.
Say you make 10 projectors and a friend says to you that he would like to order 10 from you to do a group buy.
Being a friend, you would be more inclined to give a discount. Say you charge him $100 each. He then turns around and tells everyone he’ll charge $101 for each projector and that the funds generated from the sale will go towards expanding the club.
Person 2 approaches you and asks for the same thing and you quote them at $101 since you don’t know this person and have never done business with them before. So person 2 posts that he’ll sell them to everyone at $101 end of story.
So you asked, what did person 1 do that person 2 did not?
Person 1, built and maintained a relationship in order to get everyone a discount and is in the process of creating a better club.
You save money either choice you go with, but option 1 provides the chance of a better club with more discounts in future group buys with the same vendor. Business relations take time and money to establish and maintain. Most vendors are not going to give you a really good discount out of the goodness of their hearts.
Is person 1 really making a profit if that money goes towards expanding the club, creating more business connections to get cheaper pricing, holding events, printing cards etc, etc?
If there really was that much profit to be had in doing a group buy, don’t you think all of TLC would be TEN (Evo) instead?
Let me give a more concrete example. My latest group buy, I approached the vendor and asked for a discount to be given to all TLC members. I also asked that he donate a portion of sales back to the club. I have no control over what he donates. If he says he’ll donate $1, then it’ll be $1 towards the club and not in my pocket. Anybody who had their projectors done will know that not a cent passed through my hands. Again, required me to go and make the business connection first in order to pave the way for future members to benefit. I stress the fact that members benefit, not myself.
I have no idea where that $1 will end up because projects are always on the go. Some projects take off, while others do not. If I told people that the $1 would go towards making tshirts, and those tshirts get scrapped, what then? Is everyone going to yell and scream about it? Or would they be understanding that the funds have been moved towards another project? Projects come and go all the time. It’s hard to pinpoint exactly where each cent will be allocated to because of projects changing. Point is, to be able to track where each cent goes and how it’s being allocated would require some real @nal auditors to do it.
So is the club better than when it started? Obviously! There are more new members, more people willing to help expand the club with new ideas, more events, and more options for our cars that are cheaper. Isn’t that what you want to establish in a good club?
So in the future it’d be nice to have people look at the big picture, understand the facts of what goes on behind a group buy in a club, and stop ASSuming that TLC is trying to milk you for all you got with that shoot em all and let God sort it out attitude.
If you don’t like the group buy ins, don’t participate in them. Go get what you need elsewhere.
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I recall someone saying how Dunlop makes crappy tires:
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...e6c0951cf5.pdf
says otherwise
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...e6c0951cf5.pdf
says otherwise
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I recall someone saying how Dunlop makes crappy tires:
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...e6c0951cf5.pdf
says otherwise
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...e6c0951cf5.pdf
says otherwise
falken RT 615s which i am currently using, is in a different class than Yokohama S drives. Two very different tires for very different purposes.
Whoever made that comparison needs to be shot.
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^ agreeed
those are literally 1 step away from racing slicks(r compound track tires, that are have almost no tread pattern, and not DOT approved aka not legal for street use)
im sure after 1 year no one would deny that the dunlops that come stock w/ ralliart + GTS are a P.O.S. w/o being told anything by any one
those are literally 1 step away from racing slicks(r compound track tires, that are have almost no tread pattern, and not DOT approved aka not legal for street use)
im sure after 1 year no one would deny that the dunlops that come stock w/ ralliart + GTS are a P.O.S. w/o being told anything by any one
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my beef with Dunlops is.. when I called them. and said , ok give me a better tire option. They kinda really couldnt. then when I called good year they kinda chuckled and said lol ya they dont really have one .
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not all dunlops are poor tires.
my friend has dunop Z1 star specs on his boosted S13 and he has nothing but praise for these tires.
Just because dunlop makes one (or a few) below average tires we should not condemn their whole company as fail
my friend has dunop Z1 star specs on his boosted S13 and he has nothing but praise for these tires.
Just because dunlop makes one (or a few) below average tires we should not condemn their whole company as fail