Oh really, you mean argue on the Internet like you?


Ok , whatever, sorry my opinion got you in a tizzy, maybe you should argue on the internet with strangers some more .


Ok this is strange too, I have never seem this before either. But if it were ME (watch out Opinion being tossed out here) I would not have ever brought it out. There are some people who agree with me on this thread that the vender should not have done something to a car he KNOWS will hurt it, both sides agreed that the tune would cause damage, I guess it's a morality standpoint on my side. Everything should be done in the interest of a customer, that’s why the customer pays the professional.




WHOOP, here we go . I will post wherever I damn well PLEASE and post anything that is not slanderous or try to argue for the sake of argument. Ideas flow free here son, and mine will continue to flow. You’re the only one getting upset, mission accomplished I guess



Sure, wide band 02, pocket logger, and a SAFC and some crazy highway runs. Make sure the volts stay at .92 and keep the A/F's under 12-1 on pump gas. A neat trick on the SAFC is that if you add over sized injectors and lean it out, you bump timing, it's amazing. Nothing professional, but I have tuned some fast DSM’s.

Right, and then he did something he know was wrong, this is my dilemma, this is the ENTIRE basis of my post; that is it. He should not have, that’s it. Not saying Shiv is a bad tuner or does not know what he is doing, he allowed a customer’s car to be tuned a way he KNEW would cause damage, that's all.


Yes, and Shiv knew this, would you want a tuner to allow this to happen to your car? You obviously know about your car, but this kid did not, all he knew was how to open his wallet. You turn the business away, or you tune it safely NO MATTER WHAT(oh wow I have a caps lock too!) the customer wants. Shiv=Professional, Customer=Idiot, I just cannot see why a professional will take a customers advice.

Ummm, this is Evo M, been here a while now buddy, couple of years, DSM's too for 5 years, but it's nice to know that opinions make you whine at complete strangers, good for you sir

Yes, and Shiv is a Great tuner, if I was in his area, I would use him, but I am a victim of Geography. But none of the cars he tuned, were against his beliefs, he tuned one, against his better judgment, boom, does that make sense?


On thing that is 100% true in this story is that their are 3 sides.

Shivs Version

MBGSTI Version


And the Truth……………. both sides are opinionated, that’s why I think their should be some split, a labor discount, or a parts discount, I mean that $1,000 deal sounded great.

 

Uniami, give it a rest. Shiv is one component in this guy's failure. He bears no liability. Even on a mild tune, he is being asked to change the car from it's intended use. Once you change the car, warrantee's gone and Shiv doesn't replace it with his.

If you take your car to a tuner, you are free to think they bear some responsibilty, BUT THAT EXPECTATION DOES NOT REQUIRE THEM TO DO SO, nor should it.

Don't fu ck up a good thing here. My gut tells me Shiv and his crew could easily survive without this part of thier business model. That would mean the rest of us will have to rely on other venues, and that's not a choice I for one want to see them make.

You've got ***** telling Vishnu to pay for the mistake. Stop whining and leave it alone. 3 sides......... you sound like Mark Garagos at the Scott Peterson trial.

Shiv, don't even consider doing anymore work for these guys. Believe me, it's not good business.

 

Not quite. I'll just put you on global ignore since you never say anything of value in this forum anyway. After you get done trolling, go play with your old school SAFC that used knobs for adjustment. Your car wants to be road tunned by you tonight!

 

to Err is human...Plan do Study Act...Learning process.

Let this thread die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Sorry, a tuner needs to be responsible for his work, if not, then any idiot can do what he/she pleases without any consequence. You fail to see the point, the tuner tuned a car to a level he knew would cause damage, end of story. He should not have done that even if the customer asked too, that's all I am saying. I Guarantee you will being to whine if you bring your car to a tuner and blows, guarantee. You will be here whining and complaining. There also needs to be a more professional attitude. Why is all this dirty laundry for all of us to see here, none of us should know about this. Why is their an argument and sides being taken? Aren't we all on the same side here?



and Noize, it's nice to know that I pissed you off SO MUCH, you have to resort to the altering my words to a level you can deal with. I'll think I'll stay a while to keep you company .


Again, I am sorry my ideas are not popular and you feel the need to argue. My one point remains, a tuner should not do something to a car he/she knows is harmful, it was done here, how can you argue with that?

Again, you may all get as mad as you want, my opinion stands. Vishnu already offered a partial deal if what I read was correct, and that's the way it should be. The Customer SHOULD have taken the deal, that was his mistake.

 

nev'r mind

 

I'm guessing the motor wasnt tuned to that of an extreme.....didnt he make quite a few pulls on the dyno to tune the car in the first place? I dont think that he juest plugged in some numbers and sent him on his way. The tune was obviously good enough for those dyno runs.......however many there were.

I always hate these types of stories....you never know who to believe unless you know the parties involved, or both of them.

Best of luck to both parties involved.

 

Oh the car was over tuned to a point to where it was not safe. This is know by both sides. It was an "extreme" tune.

 

MP5,

Don't forget the demand also included a lifetime supply of Crispy Creme Doughnuts and Ho Hos.

You pathetic attempt at damage conrol does not seize to amaze me.
A $6000 race motor and big turbo was never DEMANDED, only suggested as a replacement w/ Mark picking up the majority of the tab and you guys picking up half of the cost of a STOCK motor and labor.
But since, as Shiv mentioned, his fault is 0% so was his contribution going to be.!!!

 

You mean like Rodney King? No we're not. You seem to think you can have something for free.

We're all experimenting when we tune our cars. Once you change things, UNFORSEEN events can happen. It's like on the race track, if another car mashes your bumper, tough ****.

I blew an engine 2 years ago on another dsm product by pushing it. The tuner I used was one of the best in the U.S. I knew the risk. No whining here - You assume we all think like you, boy. I didn't ask for a dime. He just finished some great work for me as recent as yesterday. "Guarantee" my asssssssssssssss.

A deal is a deal. It's a handshake and an understanding that this is the way THIS business works. You're a knucklehead if you expect differently. There are tooooooooooooo many variables to just blame the tune.

If you knew Shiv, you'd know he wouldn't sell out for a couple of hundred bucks. To ask him to pay for someone elses boneheaded mistake defies logic. It's bad form.
Is that clear enough for you now?????????????????

 

How is it different than the-moss described? I think he hit the nail smack dab on the head with his synopsis. And so does everyone else present who witnessed the fiasco. If there are any facts that aren't present, feel free to post them up.

And if you really want, i can post up the liability waiver that you signed. IIRC, it has your phone number, address, insurance carrier, etc,. on it. Do you give me permission? Perhaps I should have you sign another waiver

Shiv

 

How about this for starters:

Go to post 202.

http://www.forums.evolutionm.net/sho...hlight=470+whp

You damn well knew the night of the race that the engine was a goner and then you post this the next day?

Why not be straight w/ folks instead of your big ego getting in the way?


Shiv,

I'll conclude my paricipation in this thread by saying this:
I don't necessarily blame you for blowing up Mark's car. Crap happens. He wanted more power and knew it was risky.

I DO blame you for your arrogant,egotistical and self centered behavior afterwards.
You pretend to want to help, but actions speak louder than words.

What comes around goes around.

 

I'm not sure wether i did sign anything that day...,so SURE go for it...just blot out my address...and phone #, and if u have a waiver show it
Make sure it shows the date.

i'm just gettin tired of this......i'll let Karma take over @ this point, maybe it already has..

 

Tom,
In case you don't recall, I hadn't even seen the car at that point. All you described to me was the noise it was making over the phone when you called fron the drag strip. For some reason, your brother asked me what he should say if anyone asked and I suggested possible transmission issues until an actual diagnosis was conducted. Do you really think that I think I have the ability to cover up something that happened in front of dozens of people at the dragstrip? If so, I'm truly flattered. But forgive me for never thinking that such a seemingly innocusion suggestion on my part would be fodder for you boys calling me a arrogant, egotistical and self-centered liar.

If you don't blame me for "blowing up" Mark's car, what exactly do you blame me for? Surely, all your hostility can't be from the aforementioned telephone conversation which both of you seemed all too willing to support. Could you please tell me what we did wrong then?

Shiv

 

A tuner KNOWINGLY tuned a car in to unsafe levels, sorry, maybe you don't understand, that's ok if your alright with paying for other peoples mistakes.

Wow, this man speaks better then I can......