MR vs GSR
Originally Posted by Ludikraut
IMO the MR is overpriced since the only thing it's got going for it are the Bilsteins. I'd vote for a new GSR.
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I must call you a ignorant into the extend of the word. Please spend a few dollars buying car magazines and surf the internet more.
How in the HELL are you saying what you are saying, the MR has way more other features that the regular EVO8 don't have, besides that the point on this topic was the used 03 EVO 8 versus the new 05 MR.
Front LSD
ACD
Forged aluminium BBS rims
teflon coated shifter cables
6 speed
biltstein suspension
tripple gauge kit
carbon fiber e-brake handle
alumium shift knob
MR accents everywhere (floor mats, center console, rear badge)
significant more power (new ECU and redesigned turbo)
rear vortex generator
Summarizing, a much significant improvement over the 03 model by all means. I am not even including the resale value of the car itself.
Dig it or trash it but accept the reality...
Originally Posted by nsnguyen
The six speeds are fine, let's not forget that it's a development of the five speed, not an all new transmission. The five speed also has triple synchros in 1st and 2nd, but not the teflon coated bushings of the six speed. FWIW, I replaced my tranny fluid with redline and now have butter-smooth shifts. What's important to know is that the six speed is designed for closer spacing of the gears, not a lower cruising rpm. The difference at highway speeds is maybe 100 rpm. This changes with the Evo IX where they significantly shortened the top gears.
Takes about 30 minutes, only a little harder than changing the oil. I'm not convinced that I want the ACD either. I haven't seen any real back-to-back testing but it all suggests a fraction of a second difference between the 05 GSR and the 03 GSR, which can easily be explained by the fact that the tests were conducted a year apart. I think that the helical diff contributes more to turn in than the ACD, and you can get a quaife for the 03 if you really care about handling. Also keep in mind that long term, a viscous coupling is lower maint (maint free actually) and longer wearing than the clutch plates on the ACD. Food for thought: Porsche abandoned their own ACD system, used on the 964 Carrera 4 for a VCU center diff. The lack of computer control was offset by the reduced mass and simplicity of the new setup. Even a $110,000 911 turbo uses a viscous coupling.
Takes about 30 minutes, only a little harder than changing the oil. I'm not convinced that I want the ACD either. I haven't seen any real back-to-back testing but it all suggests a fraction of a second difference between the 05 GSR and the 03 GSR, which can easily be explained by the fact that the tests were conducted a year apart. I think that the helical diff contributes more to turn in than the ACD, and you can get a quaife for the 03 if you really care about handling. Also keep in mind that long term, a viscous coupling is lower maint (maint free actually) and longer wearing than the clutch plates on the ACD. Food for thought: Porsche abandoned their own ACD system, used on the 964 Carrera 4 for a VCU center diff. The lack of computer control was offset by the reduced mass and simplicity of the new setup. Even a $110,000 911 turbo uses a viscous coupling.
NSNGUYEN,
I have a 05 MR now but I had a 964 Carrera 4 before(it was a 1991 Carrera 4 Cabriolet), anyway, yes I know the system very well. The porsche ACD was electronically operated but you could also swicth it to manual mode with its rotating switch in the center console. it had 2 modes one was a 50/50 and the other mode was for snow 70/30 with a blinking orange led that use to engage when driving in slippery roads but was only good for up to 30mph.
The biggest problem that I found performing maintenance on the Porsche was the fact that the ECU was able to "read" different diameters of tire therefore the car wouldn't run if you replace the tires with a different size tires.
I accidently did replaced the tires in the front installing 215/40/17 instead of the 205/40/17 and I eneded having to tow the car to the dealer(the car would not run)
Secondly, the system was pressurized to up to 2500psi and the same pressure was involve for the brakes when doing the brake lines. Other than that the AWD in the Porsche was beautiful. Remember that when they first launched the Carrera 4 back in 1989 its awd system came straight from the Porsche 959(fastest production car ever) which won Paris -Dakar rally in 1986.
my last cars: 91 Stealth R/T Twin Turbo, 91 Porsche Carrera 4, 03 Subaru WRX(2 broken trannys) , 05 MR
Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
Ludikraut,
I must call you a ignorant into the extend of the word....
I must call you a ignorant into the extend of the word....
Wow, I'm not sure whether to be flattered or flabbergasted.
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Ludikraut,
No, I don't mean to offend noone, I am just using the term ignorant sarcasticly.
What I mean is that come on, you know that the MR has more than just the bilstein over the regular EVO 8. I am just trying to be fair here so that everyone knows the real differences between the cars.
Peace!
No, I don't mean to offend noone, I am just using the term ignorant sarcasticly.
What I mean is that come on, you know that the MR has more than just the bilstein over the regular EVO 8. I am just trying to be fair here so that everyone knows the real differences between the cars.
Peace!
Originally Posted by Ludikraut
"...a ignorant into the extend of the word..."
Wow, I'm not sure whether to be flattered or flabbergasted.
l8r)
Wow, I'm not sure whether to be flattered or flabbergasted.
l8r)
You seem surprised or offended about being called ignorant. You gotta admit that if you display abissmal ignorance, somebody is gonna notice. Elsewise you are trolling in which case you got a couple of bites
Originally Posted by Ludikraut
"...a ignorant into the extend of the word..."
Wow, I'm not sure whether to be flattered or flabbergasted.
l8r)
Wow, I'm not sure whether to be flattered or flabbergasted.
l8r)
Anyways, the reason I continue to think the GSR , err, the '05 USDM Evolution VIII is a better value than the '05 USDM Evolution VIII MR edition (I hope that's correct enough for everyone) is as follows:
MR - "GSR" - Feature, comments
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Yes - Yes - Front LSD, they both have one now
Yes - Yes - ACD, again both have this feature
Yes - Yes - More power (new ECU and redesigned turbo), this applies to all '05 USDM Evo platforms
Yes - Yes - Teflon coated shifter cables, all'05 Evos have this
Yes - Yes - 10/100,000 etc. warranty, applies to all '05
Yes - No - Bilstein suspension, yeah these should be included in all Evos
Yes - No - 6 speed, much debated whether it's better or not, I can live without it, some can't
Yes - No - Forged aluminium BBS rims, I personally dislike the gray paint, IMO it looks like plastic
Yes - No - Aluminum Roof, nice, but the MR is still heavier ... but then you could get an RS
Yes - No - MR accents everywhere (floor mats, center console, rear badge), Bling bling...
No - Opt - Sun Roof, nicer than the aluminum roof? ... perhaps, although not for me.
No - Opt - Leather Interior, option for the regular Evo, again some like it, some don't
No - Opt - 315W Infinity Sound system, once again an option for the regular Evo, cool for some, useless for others.
Yes - Opt - Vortex generator, Nice feature, although you can score one aftermarket relatively cheaply ($230 from
)Yes - Opt - Carbon fiber, err, aluminum e-brake handle, Bling bling, 'nuff said
Yes - Opt - Aluminum pedals, dunno how nice these are, personally I like the Autovation pedals
Yes - Opt - Alumium shift knob, probably nicer than the stock midget knob, but $30 gets you just about any style shape size of knob you want.
Yes - Opt - HID Headlights, nice feature to have...
Yes - Opt - Triple gauge kit - Poor quality gauges in the worst possible location (not counting the trunk), I can definitely live w/out these, since I would end up replacing them anyways. Why pay for something that I will trash?
So in the end you basically end up with the following choice:
'05 MR base - $35,499 - 3285lbs, 276hp/286tq, Bilstein shocks, 6-speed, cheapo gauges, MR bling
'05 Evo base - $30,699 - 3263lbs, 276hp/286tq, 5-speed, no HID, no gauges, no bling
'05 Evo Sun Opt. - $33,819 - 3321lbs, 276hp/286tq, 5-speed, HID, sunroof, leather, rockin' stereo
Personally I'd choose the '05 Evo base, because at $30,699 it is $4800 cheaper than an MR, which IMO is money better spent on aftermarket parts and tuning (and yes, I do have an extra $4800 laying around, I don't need to finance everything). The bottom line is that MR vs Regular Evo is not as clear cut of a choice as some try to make it out to be. For me it's an easy choice based on my listed personal preferences above.
FWIW, with the introduction of the larger turbo/front lsd/acd to all Evos in '05, I think the MR suffers from a lack of identity. Basically if you want a race-ready Evo, then the RS is the weapon of choice, if you want a "luxury" Evo, then I'd have to go with the regular Evo with the leather package, which leaves the MR as the "smoothest riding, less luxurious"?
Oh well, that's about all I have to say on the topic...
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Last edited by Ludikraut; Apr 4, 2005 at 12:04 PM.
