1st Evo 9 tuned by Vishnu Review
Originally Posted by Vishnu_Evo8
whats with people hating teh IX, i dont have one but im happy that it is making more power. whats so hard to believe? shiv posted stock vs flashed dyno charts. what more do people need? You people dont have to believe they are faster, but you will see next track season.
Mivec and turbo modifications weren't as big of a deal as they were made out to be. We all know to really see any actual gains you will need a bigger than stock turbo and more aggressive exhaust cam to go with an aggressive intake cam.
FWIW....I have the cash to "upgrade" but its not worth $10k for 15WHP, no HIDs, ugly gray interior, and an off center IC...LOL.
Nothing against Vishnu.....they do good work I have the XEDE and it made a nice difference. I'm just saying lets not make a big deal out of next to nothing.
I think I am gonna unsubscribe now as well! Its been real its been fun but it hasn't been real fun.
C-ya,
JESKE
Originally Posted by Jeff_Jeske
I don't see anyone hating.....they're just saying the 06 isn't leaps ahead of the 05.
Mivec and turbo modifications weren't as big of a deal as they were made out to be. We all know to really see any actual gains you will need a bigger than stock turbo and more aggressive exhaust cam to go with an aggressive intake cam.
FWIW....I have the cash to "upgrade" but its not worth $10k for 15WHP, no HIDs, ugly gray interior, and an off center IC...LOL.
Nothing against Vishnu.....they do good work I have the XEDE and it made a nice difference. I'm just saying lets not make a big deal out of next to nothing.
I think I am gonna unsubscribe now as well! Its been real its been fun but it hasn't been real fun.
C-ya,
JESKE
Mivec and turbo modifications weren't as big of a deal as they were made out to be. We all know to really see any actual gains you will need a bigger than stock turbo and more aggressive exhaust cam to go with an aggressive intake cam.
FWIW....I have the cash to "upgrade" but its not worth $10k for 15WHP, no HIDs, ugly gray interior, and an off center IC...LOL.
Nothing against Vishnu.....they do good work I have the XEDE and it made a nice difference. I'm just saying lets not make a big deal out of next to nothing.
I think I am gonna unsubscribe now as well! Its been real its been fun but it hasn't been real fun.
C-ya,
JESKE
C-ya
i never said its leaps and bounds better just makes a BIT more power. otherwise its the same damn car. And there is no way in hell im gonna upgrade. I think you took it the wrong way man, no harm intended.
Last edited by Vishnu_Evo8; Dec 1, 2005 at 06:25 PM.
Ok!
Let me just once again explain how my 03' with the stage three setup +interccoler and then some pulled about the same as my stock 06 MR. I know some people aren't so happy with the IX, but if I couldn't afford a new one I wouldn't be thrashing the next generation just beacause I still owned the inferior machine. Don't get me wrong, the VIII was allot of fun but my IX's interior is 100 times better quality than the VIII's. I use to say that my VIII's seats looked like Reccaros that they would use in a Huydai Tiburan. Plain and simple, things donot usually get re-manufactured to be worse than the previous model, End of story. Congragulations to the VIII owners they own a great machine, fortunately for me I was able to upgrade to the next gen. with a six speed tranny which is great!
Originally Posted by silverEVO8
Sorry for the language confusion. You are probably right about the exact terminology and description of the MIVEC. I don't know what sort of system 
uses to obtain the variable valve timing. For all I know there's an extra squirrell running in a cage..... Point is that the MIVEC has some sort of variable valve timing and it feels and works in a similar manner like the system used by Honda, Toyota, etc. 
I did drive the cars and my perception was that there is definitely some sort of change and it feels a lot more like Vtec than what the the way the non-MIVEC engines feel like.
Update:
From what little I can find about the MIVEC, it's clear that there is a cam change. This would explain why the IX is more powerful than the VIII since it already has a "performance" cam built in... The beauty of it is that there is no compromise of cam profiles for lower speeds and higher speeds... The cam changes profiles for optimum performace. Just like the Vtec or anybody else.
uses to obtain the variable valve timing. For all I know there's an extra squirrell running in a cage..... Point is that the MIVEC has some sort of variable valve timing and it feels and works in a similar manner like the system used by Honda, Toyota, etc. I did drive the cars and my perception was that there is definitely some sort of change and it feels a lot more like Vtec than what the the way the non-MIVEC engines feel like.
Update:
From what little I can find about the MIVEC, it's clear that there is a cam change. This would explain why the IX is more powerful than the VIII since it already has a "performance" cam built in... The beauty of it is that there is no compromise of cam profiles for lower speeds and higher speeds... The cam changes profiles for optimum performace. Just like the Vtec or anybody else.
The MIVEC system on the Evo is strictly the continuously adjustable cam gear feature of the MIVEC system. And even then, it's only on the intake cam.
There is no cam profile switch. At all. It just retards the timing at low RPM's and advances in the middle to high RPM range. (until the load gets real high then it retards again in the high RPM's.. see attached picture)
Attached to this are several pictures further outlining the MIVEC in the Evo IX:
Hope this helps.
Terry S
*EDIT* Those pictures were originally posted up by Andenbre. Sorry I didn't give you credit when I first posted these, I was kinda in a hurry at that moment. Those pics are awesome, thanks for posting them up
Last edited by Terry S; Dec 2, 2005 at 08:22 AM.
Originally Posted by Terry S
Again, no offense intended in the following post, just clearing up the air...
The MIVEC system on the Evo is strictly the continuously adjustable cam gear feature of the MIVEC system. And even then, it's only on the intake cam.
There is no cam profile switch. At all. It just retards the timing at low RPM's and advances in the middle to high RPM range. (until the load gets real high then it retards again in the high RPM's.. see attached picture)
Attached to this are several pictures further outlining the MIVEC in the Evo IX:
Hope this helps.
Terry S
The MIVEC system on the Evo is strictly the continuously adjustable cam gear feature of the MIVEC system. And even then, it's only on the intake cam.
There is no cam profile switch. At all. It just retards the timing at low RPM's and advances in the middle to high RPM range. (until the load gets real high then it retards again in the high RPM's.. see attached picture)
Attached to this are several pictures further outlining the MIVEC in the Evo IX:
Hope this helps.
Terry S
Very cool information. I was wondering about how MIVEC worked -- Thanks
I wonder if there is a market for an electronically controlled version in the aftermarket.
Were those the pages I posted terry? if so no prob I am glad to see them being used, just curious
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...67#post2578267
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...67#post2578267
Last edited by andenbre; Dec 1, 2005 at 09:29 PM.
Originally Posted by meanmud
I stopped caring about 3 months ago - when word was spreading from the UK to watch out for the IX
Originally Posted by RedEvoInKy
Where did you find that information? Good stuff!
I saved some good pics and I have the same colection of music (minus Enya ) good stuff
Originally Posted by Terry S
Again, no offense intended in the following post, just clearing up the air...
The MIVEC system on the Evo is strictly the continuously adjustable cam gear feature of the MIVEC system. And even then, it's only on the intake cam.
There is no cam profile switch. At all. It just retards the timing at low RPM's and advances in the middle to high RPM range. (until the load gets real high then it retards again in the high RPM's.. see attached picture)
Attached to this are several pictures further outlining the MIVEC in the Evo IX:
Hope this helps.
Terry S
The MIVEC system on the Evo is strictly the continuously adjustable cam gear feature of the MIVEC system. And even then, it's only on the intake cam.
There is no cam profile switch. At all. It just retards the timing at low RPM's and advances in the middle to high RPM range. (until the load gets real high then it retards again in the high RPM's.. see attached picture)
Attached to this are several pictures further outlining the MIVEC in the Evo IX:
Hope this helps.
Terry S
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From: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...e/e/mivec.html
MIVEC
Remarkable MIVEC Engine makes power performance and environmental protection compatible
MIVEC = Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing Electronic Control system
The dual-intake valve camshaft enables changing between low-speed and high-speed modes, resulting in easy operation from low to high rpms, improving the driving experience when starting from a stop light, merging onto the freeway, or accelerating to overtake another car. In the pursuit of pure driving enjoyment, potentially incompatible goals like fuel economy, environment-friendliness, and clean driving have all been achieved.
[Low-speed Mode]
The difference in the dual-intake valve lift (low lift and medium lift) and enhanced in-cylinder streaming further stabilize combustion without compromising fuel economy, emissions, and torque.
[High-speed Mode]
Extending the injection valve opening time and expanding the valve lift range increases intake air mass and achieves output close to best in class.
The Grandis is equipped with the 2.4L MIVEC and the Colt is equipped with with the 1.3 and 1.5L MIVEC.
4G69 MIVEC
(2.4L SOHC 16-valve, 4-cylinder)
(Grandis)
MIVEC Switching Mechanism
Last edited by silverEVO8; Dec 1, 2005 at 11:33 PM.
Originally Posted by andenbre
Were those the pages I posted terry? if so no prob I am glad to see them being used, just curious
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...67#post2578267
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...67#post2578267
Originally Posted by silverEVO8
Very good info, great pictures too. I could not find anything like that. What I found made me think if cam profiles changing... Obviously I'm mistaken. Thanks for clearing things up
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From: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...e/e/mivec.html
MIVEC
Remarkable MIVEC Engine makes power performance and environmental protection compatible
MIVEC = Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing Electronic Control system
The dual-intake valve camshaft enables changing between low-speed and high-speed modes, resulting in easy operation from low to high rpms, improving the driving experience when starting from a stop light, merging onto the freeway, or accelerating to overtake another car. In the pursuit of pure driving enjoyment, potentially incompatible goals like fuel economy, environment-friendliness, and clean driving have all been achieved.
[Low-speed Mode]
The difference in the dual-intake valve lift (low lift and medium lift) and enhanced in-cylinder streaming further stabilize combustion without compromising fuel economy, emissions, and torque.
[High-speed Mode]
Extending the injection valve opening time and expanding the valve lift range increases intake air mass and achieves output close to best in class.
The Grandis is equipped with the 2.4L MIVEC and the Colt is equipped with with the 1.3 and 1.5L MIVEC.
4G69 MIVEC
(2.4L SOHC 16-valve, 4-cylinder)
(Grandis)
MIVEC Switching Mechanism
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From: http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...e/e/mivec.html
MIVEC
Remarkable MIVEC Engine makes power performance and environmental protection compatible
MIVEC = Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing Electronic Control system
The dual-intake valve camshaft enables changing between low-speed and high-speed modes, resulting in easy operation from low to high rpms, improving the driving experience when starting from a stop light, merging onto the freeway, or accelerating to overtake another car. In the pursuit of pure driving enjoyment, potentially incompatible goals like fuel economy, environment-friendliness, and clean driving have all been achieved.
[Low-speed Mode]
The difference in the dual-intake valve lift (low lift and medium lift) and enhanced in-cylinder streaming further stabilize combustion without compromising fuel economy, emissions, and torque.
[High-speed Mode]
Extending the injection valve opening time and expanding the valve lift range increases intake air mass and achieves output close to best in class.
The Grandis is equipped with the 2.4L MIVEC and the Colt is equipped with with the 1.3 and 1.5L MIVEC.
4G69 MIVEC
(2.4L SOHC 16-valve, 4-cylinder)
(Grandis)
MIVEC Switching Mechanism
Terry S
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*Off-Topic* or On-Topic if people are still debating the potential of the IX with basic bolt-ons.
Interesting to note, yet another IX makes impressive gains with bolt on mods.
2006 EVO IX (Dyno Flash)
HKS RS Intake
BR MBC@20PSI (holding 20PSI to redline)
ECUTEK Flash
93 Octane
316HP (Dyno Jet)
315TQ (Dyno Jet)
Same Car (Dyno Flash)
HKS RS Intake
BR MBC@24PSI (holding 23.5PSI to redline)
ECUTEK Flash
93 Octane
325HP (Dyno Jet)
360TQ (Dyno Jet)
Yup these numbers were made on stock exhaust, stock down pipe, and stock cat. The run at 24PSI is not recommended, but it's still interesting to see that the turbo is able to hold boost at 23.5PSI on pump gas.
I do agree that some these IXs do need to start hitting up a strip, many of us are very interested to see what they are running. Should be very, very interesting. I mean I hate to jump the gun, but is it possible that with race fuel, more aggressive tuning and a kick *** driver that this IX could hit high 11s on stock exhaust?
Interesting to note, yet another IX makes impressive gains with bolt on mods.
2006 EVO IX (Dyno Flash)
HKS RS Intake
BR MBC@20PSI (holding 20PSI to redline)
ECUTEK Flash
93 Octane
316HP (Dyno Jet)
315TQ (Dyno Jet)
Same Car (Dyno Flash)
HKS RS Intake
BR MBC@24PSI (holding 23.5PSI to redline)
ECUTEK Flash
93 Octane
325HP (Dyno Jet)
360TQ (Dyno Jet)
Yup these numbers were made on stock exhaust, stock down pipe, and stock cat. The run at 24PSI is not recommended, but it's still interesting to see that the turbo is able to hold boost at 23.5PSI on pump gas.
I do agree that some these IXs do need to start hitting up a strip, many of us are very interested to see what they are running. Should be very, very interesting. I mean I hate to jump the gun, but is it possible that with race fuel, more aggressive tuning and a kick *** driver that this IX could hit high 11s on stock exhaust?