I'm leaving Colorado tomorrow night and will be back in SF later in the evening. So I'll be around from Wednesday morning onwards. Come on by. We'll go karting at Speedring.

shiv

 

Shiv,
Reading this thread reminds me of my work. I have a very difficult job. I am the assistant principal at California's largest community day school. We have over six hundred students who have been expelled or removed from the mainstream schools for serious discipline problems, emotional problems, etc. On a daily basis I get yelled at by parents who have utterly failed at raising their children. I have to discipline students endlessly for the same dumb things: dress code, profanity, refusing to work, etc (not to mention the worse stuff). You know what really sucks? As soon as the student progresses, they go back to regular school and we get another problem child to replace them. The cycle never ends and we don't even get summers off. The daily battles are always intense and just a part of the job.

How does this remind me of this thread? Because, like you, we have to fight the good fight or the crazies can actually WIN. Screwballs cause me more problems than you'd believe. You give 'em pass after pass but every once in a while you just have to take a stand and blast 'em.

Hopefully, a couple of beers and a decent night's rest and you're as good as new. You are obviously getting great press in all the major auto mags (deservedy so) so I hope you pick "your hills to die on" carefully and leave the smaller battles to MP5 and the rest of us.

I'll see you on Monday at 11:00 am for a dyno session and xflash for my stage one sig.

 

If Kalifornia wasnt so broke you could send those kids to my center to straighten em up

 

This is NOT a good idea. I had Shiv out for sushi the other night and 1.5 beers later there was a instantanious transformation from tuning guru to giggling schoolgirl. He was tuning my car first the next morning so I was obviously concerned . Fortunatly the next day dawned and Shiv awoke with his game face on and the numbers speak for themselves Thanks Shiv...for the entertainment and the fantastic tune

 

can't the eclipse and gsx drivers stay in their own forums? i came to this website because it was called EVOLUTION not '97 DSM!
seriously, does any body think they can tune better than shiv in this forum? if so, why do you not have your own product line? that's what i thought.

get a life guys. i was there on saturday to watch shiv work his magic. i didn't see any dsm-ers there in their eclipses roll in and kick shiv off of the dyno! i do however remember hearing bill ask dave to get off the dyno.

i am on a little more of a budget than others, that's why i run the s-afc in my car. that's all.

with a higher price comes mroe research and design. vishnu, buscher, hks, etc. that's all. you're paying for the time they spent learning the product line. that's all their time and effort. i think anyone can respect that. if you can, then why would you ever say anyhting bad about someone like shiv? he's only here to help. it looks like he gets a little defensive, yes. but, wouldn't you if you were cornered all of the time?

do you see anyone complaining about the products or service they acquired from him? i don't. give the guy a break before unreversable damage is done. i had no problem with him. i just don't have the budget for his products. the quality of the products did speak for itself.

i thought this was also a dyno thread. not a "my cars better than yours thread"

and who really cares that an eclipse finished 24th in one race 5 years ago!

only a true nerd with no life would know something like that!

thanks for the trip out and the wisdom you shared with us shiv. i do hope that you will be back in the spring for round two. if you do come back, i'll be there for sure. however, i doubt dave will. or, at least not alone!


sorry this was so long, i just wanted to cover the three pages of BS that festered between now and 8 hours ago when i last read this post.

cheers.
bryan

 

Tuning isn't all that difficult. Most DSMers do it themselves. I tune my own car. When I drag race, I tune my car after every pass, looking at the knock, timing advance, airflow, and boost. When I autocross, I tune my car to make appropriate power for the day. I can't have a "tuner" with me all day, so I learned how to do it myself. I know how my car reacts to tuning changes. I've run 118mph in the 1/4mi with a 7cm TD05H-16G in a 3315lb car. Hell, it has been years since anyone has run that fast in a DSM with a 7cm 16G. So yeah, I think that for my own car, I can tune better than shiv.

Tuning on the fly, for different conditions and different fuels is why I advocate tuning your car for yourself. Anybody can tune as well as anybody else given the right tools and knowledge. Spend a few years learning this stuff, and you could do it, too.

Uhh, I watched the Daytona 24 on TV that year. I just happen to have a pretty good memory. Perhaps you have trouble remembering back to 1998, but I haven't done anything that would kill any brain cells.

I even remember the Archer Brothers and how they raced their DSMs in SCCA road racing for years, and destroyed all the competition so bad that they started making rules just to stop them.

That Eclipse in the 98 Daytona 24 was actually the Archer Brothers' Eagle Talon in a previous life. A Mitsubishi Dealership in Daytona, FL bought the car and converted it into an Eclipse to race in the endurance race. It was a pretty amazing feat to see the Eclipse still racing after 24 hours. Consistency matters more than huge power in a race like that. They passed a whole lot of Porsches to come in 10th in their class.

Amazing what you can remember if you don't kill brain cells every weekend.

 

"Amazing what you can remember if you don't kill brain cells every weekend. "

Dude, you know....you have no idea what you are talking about! I think that if maybe, just maybe you were a little more educated, you might be able to buy a better car than you stupid eclipse. don't assume anything about anyone, that's what your problem is. OPEN YOUR MIND!

move on, stop living in the past. i'm sure that my memory is better than yours. are you just trying to **** everyone off? i think maybe you should move out of your parents basement and get out into the real world! i know that it's tough, but you can do it.

i bet you even watch spong bob square pants don't you???
grow up, stop flaming all the time, and maybe people will take you more seriously. where's your product line what magazine are they featured in?

go back to your star wars geek club.

 

The only person flaming here is you (aimlessly, I might add). Show me where I have flamed anyone in this thread. That isn't my style.

Actually, I do watch Spongebob Squarepants. Amazing what you will watch when you have a 1 year old boy at home.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ShapeGSX
[B]

Tuning isn't all that difficult. Most DSMers do it themselves. I tune my own car. When I drag race, I tune my car after every pass, looking at the knock, timing advance, airflow, and boost. When I autocross, I tune my car to make appropriate power for the day. I can't have a "tuner" with me all day, so I learned how to do it myself. I know how my car reacts to tuning changes. I've run 118mph in the 1/4mi with a 7cm TD05H-16G in a 3315lb car. Hell, it has been years since anyone has run that fast in a DSM with a 7cm 16G. So yeah, I think that for my own car, I can tune better than shiv.

Tuning on the fly, for different conditions and different fuels is why I advocate tuning your car for yourself. Anybody can tune as well as anybody else given the right tools and knowledge. Spend a few years learning this stuff, and you could do it, too.


Shape thats great if you tune your own car I can do OK myself. But I still fail to understand what this has to do with shiv? People want to pay shiv 900 ( look at all the new imports the ECM is all that expensive or more! Hell a decent 4 channel audio amp costs 900 and talk about simple!) So what exactly is so overpriced? Shape have you ever accurately attenuated the knock sensor on your DSM? What do you think of that? Now that takes some real skill and no 1320 or street tuner has the proper tools to do this. You might ask why and then why not back. And to that Colorado guy that has concrete between his ears that said Vishnu was overpriced- How do you explain that a SAFC is nearly 600??????????????????????????????

 

The guy asked me if I thought I could tune as well as Shiv. I answered him.

My SAFC was a wedding present, actually. But they only cost $280 back then, brand new. Like I said, a $200 harness is a waste. There aren't many wires. Just solder it in. If you are going to get into tuning your car, you will have too many mods to take the car in for service, anyway. Screw the warranty.

I have no need to attenuate the knock sensor signal. But I can turn it off over certain RPM ranges, if I so wished. I don't wish to. I don't feel there is a need to. The stock knock sensor system does a fantastic job. If it is a little bit safer than it needs to be, that is good in my mind. The cool thing is that I can watch the knock sensor activity on my car's stock boost gauge, thanks to DSMLInk.

 

Some people have better things to do with their time, Josh, that spend years learning how to tune programmable EFI. Especially on their brand new $30k car. This requires quite a substantial time and $$ investment, both in learning the fundamentals of engine control systems and lots of time on the dyno as well as on the road. If you can tune your car optimally on the strip by looking at datalogs, you are a better man than I. Notice I say "optimally", not "sufficiently". Is tuning a car hard? Not until problems crop up. At that point, a bit of experience comes in handy. As with anything else, this comes from tuning many cars, in many conditions, over the course of years. Not just one car, over and over again.

Just my 2c,

Shiv

 

I am with Shiv on the time thing. About 9 years ago I did a Motec on my TT Rx-7 and blew it up. I thought I was king and knew what I was doing, now my time is worth more. I think if I took the TIME to learn EM with the EVO by the time I was done I could buy another one. Time = Money and I don't have that much to waste on learning my car. I work hard and let the pros do it for me. Same thing with my other cars, I really don't care about the tuning of it. I pay my money the car is fun and fast. I do what I know how to do and let the experts do what I don't know how to do.

 

the above quote paints quite a vivid picture....

edited for hilarity

 

Standalones are definitely more difficult to tune than a stock ECU for sure. Of course, stock RX7 ECUs are a horrible setup, so you have to start with a standalone. And turbocharged rotaries are probably the most difficult platform to tune, period. You dove head first into a concrete pool.

I don't have a dyno at the drag strip, so I don't tune on one while I am at the drag strip. What I do have is (ta-da), a drag strip. I'm sure I could do better at a dyno, but there is still tuning to do at the track by looking at datalogs. Fact remains, though, that my car has accelerated faster with a 7cm 16G on it than any other AWD or FWD DSM I've seen in years. I gotta be doing something right. I still want to see an Evo with the stock turbo bump the boost up a bit more than the 22 to 23psi I see most people stop at.

And that previous post deserves a ban.

 

Josh does that mean your the only real DSM homebrew tuner? It certainly seems you have the cognitive ability to tune very well. However the only flaw I see is that you assume others have that same cognitive ability. By your own ommission you state that not another of the tens of thousands of DSMs still on the road has your tuning ability as you havent seen it matched in years. Would you then conclude that most people need a Vishnu to optimize their cars performance? We will see some nastiness AFA the stock turbos absolute max soon enough