What do you think I have been doing on these forums?

Here is my first post about HKS cams in a 4G63T, back on May 20th.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...highlight=cams

And I posted about the Evo VIII's clutch restrictor back on April 23rd after finding out that the Evo had the same thing (found it in the Mitsubishi parts database CD):
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ght=restrictor

 

No one can say your not a great resource you surely are! Why yall guys attack shiv for providing a product with timing/fuel/knock/and boost control is beyond me. Why you say the same can be done (consistancy never mentioned) with a SAFC is beyond me- BTW a SAFC with the 200 harness and $50 MBC is a half assed approach which totals 340+200+50= 590 which is supposed to be such a great deal and the root cause to all these srguments. Why yall use a 2nd gen only DSM link more as an arguing tool than a tuning tool is beyond me especially when the developer was on here today saying is WAY off and only in Pre Planning stages. I think I see if my hand fills up with waste first

 

Good posts and thanks, you are right the cams do help out this car a lot. I just wish that everyone would help like you and the other and not just bust Shiv's ***** all the time. Even if you do not like him you should respect him for what he has done with the evo with his OWN parts.

 

I have friends that road race often in their DSMs.

Personally, I stick to autocross, though. My Eclipse is also my daily driver. Driveline carnage from drag racing or autocrossing is one thing, but I couldn't stand to get any body damage on the car. Anything can happen in racing, even if you are the safest driver out there. And given that I have a wife and a 1 year old son at home, I can't afford the tire and brake budget that road-racing incurs.

 

So, do you still think my car sucks?

 

Never did but could you explain my questions two posts up? about the Safc and dsm link? Also Why so many dsmers seem to be so "concrete" in their thinking?

 

Do you honestly think I even remember (or care) what your original questions where?

Remember, not everyone spends all their free time stomping their feet and crying on obscure Internet forums, taking sad shots at people they've never met or even talked to. Nor is everyone so incredibly paranoid to be willing to waste 2 full days of their life (on a weekend, no less) to stand next to someone and watch him tune 20 cars on the dyno. All in a failed attempt to find something to complain about on the internet with his tuning cronies. Come on, don't you find something awfully pathetic about this?

Personally, I'm flattered that Dave and his ragtag DSM tuning crowd spend so much time ranting about me and my services. I'm sure this detracts from the time they allocate to their amazing successful professional and steaming-hot social lives. Apparently, Dave is the local tuning guru of DSMs which is the automotive equivalent being a local Scrabble champion. That is, no one other than his colleagues really care about it or all the motors he has gone through in his quest to run 12s in the 1/4 mile

Most amusing was when I offered my det cans to Dave since he was convinced the cars were pinging during the dyno pulls. After listening, he sheepishly shrugged his shoulders and admitted that he was wrong. Also amusing is how friendly and incredibly sycophantic Dave was in person only to later grow cajones the size of watermelons once he got back home to the security of his ISP. Dave, I've met one-armed crack-smoking monkeys that have more tuning acumen that you. And they go though far fewer motors.

After seeing his posts and how at odds they were with how he behaved and what he said in person, I and the guys at MAC Autosports called him up (on the phone) to ask why he said the things he said. That is, why Dave lied? Why Dave painted a picture that isn't remotely true?

We didn't get much of an answer or response out of Dave since he isn't too good at real-time confrontation. Especially when he's been called out for the kind of person he really is.

Dave, this thread has become what it is because you failed to address whatever issues you *thought* you had with me/my products/services in person. You had the opportunity to do so and you chose not to. You helped with strapping down cars, offered to work the dyno computer so I wouldn't have to keep getting out of the car, and even shook my hand at the end of the day only to go home and spread lies about me and my relationship with the guys at MAC Autosports.

This is the end of this discussion. There is nothing more to say. If Dave (or his cronies) continues his ranting, I will post his home phone number and picture on the top of this forum so anyone can talk to him off-line or on his own little forum

Best Regards,
Shiv

 

I didn't answer your post because I didn't want to get into a pissing match over the XEDE again. But hey, since you asked twice.

I don't like piggyback computers (like the AFC and XEDE) since attenuating the MAF signal leads to side affects that you have to be very careful to tune around.

I also like datalogging the airflow and airflow per revolution that my engine is receiving, as well as the air to fuel ratio that the engine is receiving. They are very important values to watch. And if you mess with the MAF signal that the ECU sees, you can't datalog those items accurately.

In my mind, for the reasons I listed above, there is no good tuning solution out there at the moment for the Evo.

I also think that paying $200 for a harness is silly and a waste of money.

To me (and since you brought it up), DSMLink IS the perfect tuning solution for a car that needs drivability and good tunability without munging up the MAF and crank/cam angle signals going to the ECU. But unless you try to get a 2G DSM ECU into an Evo (which would probably work), you guys don't have that option. So you will have to wait a while to find out why we love this thing.

Anyway, that is why I am concrete in my thinking. I like datalogging my ECU. It gives me a hell of a lot of information. I don't like lying to the ECU. Lying to the ECU means that I can't datalog with 100% certainty that my datalogged values are correct. So tuning inside the ECU is the only solution for me.

If Shiv comes out with a relatively cheap flash interface that is user tunable, that sounds like another great solution in my eyes since it would modify the fuel and timing tables directly, just like DSMLink does. And that won't compromise your datalogging ability. Though datalogging through an OBDII interface is already, by definition, compromised. Another reason I like DSMLink.

 

Most amazing post ever. Not to splash fire or anything but this is the crux of it all the time the internet is the santuary and all the guys that would just #love to meet me in person# or gunna kick my *** dont show or are the friendliest damn people ever. Really amazing. Shiv indeed had his trusty Det cans monitoring knock. Shiv why do people do this? Why is it common to absolutely lie about Vishnu and its products? I see it everywere all the time. What is it like kill off the smart person before he teaches us something?

 

OK thanks for explaining and being civil- buy why all this DSM old schooler venom against the Xede approach? Why arent anybody spearheading a campaign in the BR camp? Thats the most Cromagnonman of all piggybacks. Also why nearly a year of the xede is crap thing and the rants against Vishnu when there wasnt and isnt anything this side of a standalone (and most of them are encountering SERIOUS problems) that does what the Xede is able to? Is this DSM vs shiv thing ever going to stop?

 

Look Guys:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

At the end of the day if Shiv has brought satisfaction to his customers that is what free market exchange is all about.

I for one am a "very" satisfied customer!

Now boys get a life.

JS

 

Will it stop? Depends on the amount of crap slinging. If there are a lot of "DSMs suck" posts on this forum, then it probably won't.

You can't honestly say that either side has been terribly mature about this thing. Actually, I'm pretty sure you would be the first one to admit this, MP5.

I actually used a super AFC for a couple years before DSMLink became available. I liked it because it was a cheap tuning solution. And when I tuned for race gas, the extra timing advance I got from the attenuation of the MAF signal actually helped with power production. It was still half-assed, but it worked. Cheap, and it worked, overruled "half-assed" at the time.

I don't for one instant regret paying ECMTuning $475 for "it works fantastically," and "nothing half-assed about it." Even if Shiv did call it a graphic equalizer.

 

Hmm lets see since you are stroking my ego a little I guess I will let you "induce" an admittance of "I was being immature" Though it was much better than a half assed approach Ah your a good guy man

 

I was at the dyno day on sunday and everyone got along great in person. Dave was more than friendly helping Shiv with the computer, and shiv was just as nice with the Det cans, and explanations to Dave. They interacted fine.

Everyone of the customers were pleased to see the gains, and to have recieved what they paid for. It is a shame to see Dave belittle shiv on an internet forum when he was standing 2 feet away from him for 6 hours and could have asked him anything in person, face to face. Which i'm sure other representives of the DSM community would have. (Hal, ShapeGSX, Etc)Its the stereotypical example of hiding behind a keyboard to confront somebody. Everybody forgets were talking about Automobile tuning, not ****ing someones sister. I don't get the hostility.

The bottom line was Shiv came to Colorado because his customers wanted him here, he didn't come for a pissing contest. Or a boxing match. His customers were happy for the service performed and thats all that matters.

 

Great post, and you are right most people get behind a computer and turn into real *******s, I know I have a time or too but in person I think I am a okay guy. But to hang out with someone and that person is helping them and showing them things, then kick them in the ***** the next day because "everyone is doing it" is **** to me. If you think Shiv is a nice person say so, if you think he is a ***** that's your deal as well. Just don't call him a ***** because all of your friends are doing it and you have a weak mind.