Hi,

I'm headed out to Dallas, but I just wanted to post that the EVOs kicked major butt. I ran my WRX Stage 2+ (VF30, TMIC) and only got 280whp. Shiv seemed to think it was the turbo that didn't have anything left in it.

I thought I would be up with the stage 1 EVOs not the stage 0. For all the $$$ I've put in the WRX, I could have had a much faster car with an EVO.

Everyone was pretty cool for how long the day was. Thanks again Shiv for taking the time to make sure my car was running right!

~PC (Glenn)

 

I agree glenn I have always been a subie guy and the WRX has a soft spot in me but GD the EVO is a horny beast for power!! I had like you complete fuel/ EM/ turbo exhaust/ IC upgrades and I bought the evo put a computer on it and waxed thy subie. I mean damn they are both 2.0 L but very very different. The EVO also has a lot more drivetrain loss . Stock the EVO already has a stage 4+ WRX package with an even bigger turbo. So its really a superb mod platform

 

For anyone that is interested in my dyno results I will post them in the super dyno thread as soon as I can get them scanned. I will not put the results in this post because I believe that this is for Vishnu results only. I will say that I was very happy with my numbers with the amount of money I spent. To put down Vishnus product wouldn't be right, Shiv did put down some very good numbers on Sat . I wish I could have gotten the same kind of trq that Chrohunter did . I am always up to get a complement from Shiv and I got 2 on Sat . Thanks

Josh

 

chronohunter - great numbers! What did you settle on for your cam timing? Did you ultimately retain the -5/-5 degrees as initially reported or change back to the previously recommended settings of 0/0?

A bunch of us back on the East coast are preparing to install our cams and would prefer to set the correct timing during initial setup.

thanks,

 

Shiv:

God almight, you did a masterful job tuning Diane's Stage 1+EVO on Saturday. Thank you very very much for your majic.

On the way back from Parker to Santa Fe, we cruised up to 165mph at about 7K and it was still pulling like a train.

We could leave the EVO in 5th all day and it was "extremely" trackable.

You are the BEST!!!!!

Brett, Ken thanks for letting Shiv come to Colorado. Thanks to Bill for the use of his facility.

What a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JS

 

I have no good idea considering the altitude and other variables (SAE corrections, gas quality, etc,). It appears that cars that high in the sky react quite differently to mods than those at or near sea level. I think the next east coast dyno day in January will answer a lot of questions.

jfh-- From the looks of it, the big cams perform best when retarded a couple degrees. My suggestion is to set them to -2 and -2 for starters.

Cheers,
shiv

 

Nope, I guess I haven't

shiv

More humor from Dave's salty little colorado dsm forum:
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Quite from Shiv-

"The 98lb "DSM dude" who showed up (dlandrytsi aka Dave), with the one and only DSM, blew up his motor on the dyno while tuning his trusty DSMLink. I guess he forgot to mention that"

Hal


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I just replied back to that one. Now hes just being an *** flat out.

And no the car didn't blow up.

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Where is he posting that crap?



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https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...403#post637403

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He sounds like a ****ing tool, and his little butt buddies also.



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Whoo boy... Here we go again. He's just burning his own *** acting this way to the "DSMers." I wonder if he realizes that a lot of EVO owners were once DSMers?

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Heh I doubt it. Then again the real dsm owners that now own evo's know what products are good and what aren't. The users that have the product now are noob's to the DSM/EVO industry.

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I haven' been up to date with this deal between shiv, vishnu, dave w/e but I think that's pretty jacked up that shiv's buddies just take his word and run with it. You see all these people wasting their money on their tuning products but what else do they know? I think the best part about a lot of us having knowledge of tuning our cars is that we don't have to spend money on stuff like that anymore. I'm surprised that even shiv himself went directly to the conclusion that dave blew his motor. Regardless, ignorance runs rampant - it's like trying to stop a bunch of cows running off a cliff.


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I showed up Sat. in my 04 WRX wagon. Everyone was super cool, professional, and treated me like a brother including Shiv. I was very impressed with the EVO and the numbers being laid down

Things were running so smooth that there was time to run my car for a base line. Thanks for letting me do this. Here it is just for fun. This is corrected for sea level - No mods at all with 1500 miles on it:



Vishnu Stage 1 is ordered. Let me know if you want to see the dyno after install.

Peace. Matt

 

Well this is all commonplace Blue smoke is like afterburners for DSMs These people have to be arrogant, leathery, and defensive after all theve had to justify their cars and earn respect in the staging lanes, ug paddocks, ug grids, Oh I found it 7/11 parking lots of america. BTW the ex DSM EVO owners are now looking for a little bit more consistant and controlled EM "Pure adrenaline attached to a license plate. Isn't it time to experience one yourself?" An excellent summary - Mine is "nothing quite makes up for the height, weight, or girth challenged than a well seasoned DSM" Well anyway yours is better

 

So, MP5, do you know why Dave's engine filled its catch-can?

 

First off, Dave never did anything bad to his engine. When he zero'd out his hotwire we had to get a new baseline before we could redo the timing/fuel settings, which is what he was doing. You OBVIOUSLY know nothing about a built 4G63 engine. His plugs were obviously the problem and he got a small backfire, the problem has been fixed. The "catch can" with it's "larger lines" (they're stock size just -6 braided) didn't fill, it was because of excessive pressure and not enough crank venting. This is standard on a large turbo for our cars, but I wouldn't expect you to know much about a DSM now would I? Oh, and that turbo is rated at 57lb/min at sea level. If you really wanna see a larger turbo, feel free to come play with my AEM EMS BIG turbo DSM, I'd gladly show you what a real tuning solution and a big turbo can do. Secondly that "little" board you like to make fun of has some of the most knowledgable people in the DSM Community on it, so I'd be careful who's sandbox you pee in. You're belittled on NABR too, does that mean you'll start posting things they say over there and belittle their experience too? Or are you just going to delete this thread as per usual and ignore our questions as per normal? Can't you just answer our origional questions? Or, perhaps you'd like to keep up the expensive smoke and mirror show.

So, now onto the facts.

Basic laws of thermodynamics say that you're developing too much backpressure at the turbine for those turbos to be effective. You wanna see higher HP numbers either increase intake manifold pressure or decrease exhaust manifold pressure.

Yes timing is important for power regardless, but what about knock control? From what I heard you weren't logging it at all. Is this true? If it is, and I'm not saying it is, then why? Every engine is different in small ways, from how it was broken in (defining how much pressure the rings can hold) to how it happened to be assembled that day. And while a manufacturer tries to reduce discrepancy as much as possible in production I'm afraid they just can't remove it entirely. So extrapolating what knock SHOULD be at a certain time isn't anywhere near as good as KNOWING what it happens to be.

Yet again I pose this for you, how about we take a stock setup Evo VIII and put your product in it, see what we get, then I'll tune one with an AEM EMS and see what we get, may the best man show what is worth what

 

 

If your hinting that Daves catch can is doing exactly what its supposed to be doing then maybe you also have the answer to the industrial plume?

 

Oh man here it comes, 1st off DSM's suck. I would NEVER own one and ALWAYS thought they were the Mustang of the import world fast but drive like ****. Also about NABR who gives a **** about the "elite" people, it's like a cult of people who think there **** does not stink and it does. I sure hope they have the DSM figured out after 15 years. Also when am I going to see some DSM's at a road-racing event? They always talk about how fast their POS's are but never show up to do a lapping day. Let me know when the DSM folk learn how to mash the right pedal and use that wheel in front of them, bunch of blvd pimping and no driving skills.

 

Ah well the EVO AEM users all have severe engine misfiringe/ compatability/ and drivability problems. Maybe you think this is the proper tool to head to head with?? Buschur sure doesnt and TYM is designing a whole new coil pack and wiring kit just so that lovely 1800+ AEM pile will work. Can you just explain to me again why it is the DSM crowd will always compare a nearly $2K Standalone to a 800 Xede? Man the Xede must be damn good to have dropped the SAFC( which was ~300 less once the smoke and mirrors cleard and a 200 harness had to be purchased) and pulling out the stand alones