LOL, it's like an after school fight on the playground in here.

Simple fact is that you can't expect something to perform without problems when it's taxed beyond it's designed limits. I want those who disagree to go put 120psi of air into your tires and try revving your engines to 21,000 RPM because that's what you are asking of the LF122202 pump.



"Kick his *** Jimmy!"

 

So why add to it, I think everyones point has been made.

 

Perfect example is the Evo 4G63 rated at 270 crank hp and which is making oer 750 WHP in my car

 

 

The gallery on the Dynaflash site isn't working, is there a link to this evo where I can see some pics and details about it ? Over 700 WHP is a must see !

 

WOW, I guess I am wrong.

So you just cranked up the boost (stock turbo) and didn't change ANYTHING???? That's very impressive.

I find it hard to believe you are running stock injectors and ECU while putting down those numbers.

Oh wait a sec...you replaced some vital factory parts with tough aftermaket ones built to handle the extra loads? Oh OK, well that is a different story--your analogy is useless...

 

I love when people jump in on a thread and have no idea what's been said so far.

 

My car retains many stock parts - stock crank - stock block - stock head

My point is that the engineering specifications of the pump may not be the be all and end all

All i can state with 100% accuracy is the following facts

1 - SMC has a long and proven track record in alcohol kit sales way prior to the Evo in the Turbo Buick community and many users have had years of happy motoring with SMC products - SMC is no newbie

2 - I have not had ONE PUMP fail in a SMC kit with these new style pumps

3 - The new style SMC kit works with alcohol or water or any proportion of them

This entire thread is made in an effort to attack the reputation of a product which has a very good success record

People with half a brain will realize who is behind this marketing tactic and what thier motivation is

The SMC kit has proven so successful that I can not even get them in stock - hard to argue with this kind of success - especially with something that is packeaged in such a clean and easy to install set up at a resaonable price of $499 complete

 

My web master is AWOL !

You can find the whole story of my car in the Jan 2006 issue of Turbo Magazine - article "Evo Envy 3"

 

Yeah, me too.




FYI I have read each page in it's entirety so I am well aware of what has been said.

 

EXACTLY my point...you CHANGED things (almost everything actually) to support the increase in power output. If whomever uses the pump at a higher output CHANGES the necessary parts than there is no issue. If people are not changing the necessary parts then it COULD become an issue.

Nowhere in this thread has it been stated that the pump failed. The only thing that has been said is that there is a possibility of failure when the pump (or anything else for that matter) is asked to outperform it's intended duties by three fold without the necessary improvements.


I see no "slander" here at all (it's actually "libel" when it's written or typed). All I see is a factual statement that the LF122202 is not designed to handle pressures above 35psig. I do see a few individuals showing concern for their fellow enthusiasts. That's all this thread was meant to be IMO, a heads-up to others looking for a water/alcky kit.


You are overreacting.

 

Just for the record, my friend Trevor(one of the guys that installed my SMC kit) has a SMC kit on his car for 5 years now. He is one of the first guys to use this system and he currently run the SMC kit on his 11.1@128mph red Stealth TT.

5 years is a lot of years on your back, specially when he has the old a$$ pump that he must put Klotz oil to keep it lubricated. From what I heard, the now days pump is a much sofhisticated pump by all means.

I will ask him tomorrow about any issues on his pump. I think that is a very clear example of the longevity of the pump itself. By the way guys, he runs 11.1@128 here in Tucson(3100feet).


Abner, Trevor is the guy that we were talking to on Saturday at the track. He drives the 11 sec Stealth and also the RX7 TT.


just my .2c

 

When guys like yourself who do not even own Evos are comming on here to give head's up about a non existant problem with the SMC product it begins to smell like people are trying to promote alternative products at the expense of the SMC product. if there was any experience of any pump failures what so ever in these units I could at least partially appreciiate your efforts.

However - given that the SMC kits have worked like a charm - including in my race car where it is running at nearly 30% higher pressure than the standard kit - without ANY PROBLEMS of pump failure what so ever - you and the rest of your pals over there in AZ begin to look and sound like a bunch of cry babies - IMHO.

The new Style SMC pump continues to work with a near 100% reliability record from my reports.

The units are fully backed by a 100% unconditional warranty from SMC - if anything goes bad he fixes it at no cost - period

 

Al, PMd you

 

How about you trade your "stock" parts for mine.

You have a bored & stroked 2.4l with forged pistons, forged rods, 2.4l crank, ARP hardware... I wouldn't call the head stock either, you have aftermarket valves, springs, retainers, cams, port work, ect.

Please don't try and insult peoples intelligence by twisting stuff around.