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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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i have the smc kit version 2.0 for over a year now and have never had a paoblem.
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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The snow peformance kit with safeinjection is the best bang for the buck...
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The snow peformance kit with safeinjection is the best bang for the buck...
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The snow peformance kit with safeinjection is the best bang for the buck...
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
there are potentially 500 customers out there sitting on a time bomb....tick tick tick.......
You make it sound as if it's a hazard to life and limb, it's only an engine from top to bottom that goes - "pop", as long as your seatbelt is on, likely you'll be OK

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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by C6C6CH3vo
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where can we view the snow performance kits? i haven't heard of them
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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http://www.snowperformance.net. Net, not "com" (snowboarding)

Some of the newer stuff is'nt updated at the site like the VC25D 2D MAF/boost controller, which is evo specific. The kits are not as easy to install, but if you do it right your better off than otherwise
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 01:57 PM
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If you have any questions or concerns about the kit contact me, I have a wealth of knowledge on the kits and have first hand experience with all the kits besides the diesel kits...
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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Old Jul 17, 2006 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by C6C6CH3vo

You make it sound as if it's a hazard to life and limb, it's only an engine from top to bottom that goes - "pop", as long as your seatbelt is on, likely you'll be OK
i like your attitude of "you want to play, you got to pay"! Hopefully you will still remember this when something catastrophic happens
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by moto17
the smc kit uses a flojet pump designed for 35psig usage........failure IS no surprise when they are pushed to 80-100psig.

the shurflos pumps on snows/ams other hand are made to run 100psig, all day long, all day strong
Scott,

What is up? About 7 months ago Abner made a request to me to go and take my car to him so that he could do a "private investigation" about the SMC pumps being overkill.

Abner found out the manufacturer and yes indeed this pumps were water pumps designed for 35psi however you are not mentioning the second part of the history.

The vendor(SMC) actually open these pumps up and rewire them for maximum flow.
Abner particulary went and called Steve from SMC straight over the phone and he got a straight answer from him. It was confirmed that the SMC pumps were specially rewire internally for more flow and it was explained that there was a switch in top of the pump that would change the flow.

I know that they can fail like anything can fail, so far is prove to be reliable. Take per instance any other mechanical element, break a boost line and the game is over, have a fuel pump failrure and you can blow up the engine... You know what I mean?

Changing the subject, what is the word on your 2.3l Evo? did you get it running OK, did you paint/repair the hood? Send me a PM sometime.

Take care Scott!!

Carlos

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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
i like your attitude of "you want to play, you got to pay"! Hopefully you will still remember this when something catastrophic happens
Abner,

Please don't take this the wrong way, I am your friend but I must disagree with you on something.
Honestly, how much money you spent on your fancy water system? you told me that up to $2400 at one point. You had every single upgrade you could put into that water system(aquamist I believe).

Remember when you had your failures? let me refresh your memory:

1) Your car blew up the line once, you had to do a emergency repair at Edwin house.
2) Your car was misfiring ALL the time. PDT couldn't fix the problem, you ended having to spent $500 on a HKS DLI II because you were soaking your pistons wet on water.

Fortunately you are a smart and brilliant engineer and managed to fix your own problems but we are not as bright as you Abner.

My system was so much simpler, I am running a much conservative alcohol kit and is still as reliable, you already know the results (30-to 145mph that night remember)?.

Again, I am not saying my SMC is the best, I know that the failsafe is not the best and more reliable but look around, I had 0 failures with a cost of $500, you had 2 failures with a cost of $3000(fancy aquamist+HKS DLI II)

Take care Abner!! I might go and visit you sometime this summer.

Carlos
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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Carlos, i spoke to Flojet and they said the pump head is not designed to pump the kind of pressures seen in alky injection, that is way over the designed safety margin. Doubt me, call Flojet.

Steve "claimed" that he did something to "strengthen" the pump head on one of the thread.

I have never spoken to steve@smc!

There is more than wiring. Materials creep under heat/stress/expose to chemical...especially polymers, respect design limits.

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Scott,

What is up? About 7 months ago Abner made a request to me to go and take my car to him so that he could do a "private investigation" about the SMC pumps being overkill.

Abner found out the manufacturer and yes indeed this pumps were water pumps designed for 35psi however you are not mentioning the second part of the history.

The vendor(SMC) actually open these pumps up and rewire them for maximum flow.
Abner particulary went and called Steve from SMC straight over the phone and he got a straight answer from him. It was confirmed that the SMC pumps were specially rewire internally for more flow and it was explained that there was a switch in top of the pump that would change the flow.

I know that they can fail like anything can fail, so far is prove to be reliable. Take per instance any other mechanical element, break a boost line and the game is over, have a fuel pump failrure and you can blow up the engine... You know what I mean?

Changing the subject, what is the word on your 2.3l Evo? did you get it running OK, did you paint/repair the hood? Send me a PM sometime.

Take care Scott!!

Carlos
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 10:48 AM
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Carlos, i think you are throughly confused.

1 - never once did i ever had a single problem with my injection, it ran flawless

2400....where did u get the number from? Call steven@IA and ask him how much the 2D DDS3 .........i can get 3 2d/dds3 systems.

Come visit anytime!



Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
Abner,

Please don't take this the wrong way, I am your friend but I must disagree with you on something.
Honestly, how much money you spent on your fancy water system? you told me that up to $2400 at one point. You had every single upgrade you could put into that water system(aquamist I believe).

Remember when you had your failures? let me refresh your memory:

1) Your car blew up the line once, you had to do a emergency repair at Edwin house.
2) Your car was misfiring ALL the time. PDT couldn't fix the problem, you ended having to spent $500 on a HKS DLI II because you were soaking your pistons wet on water.

Fortunately you are a smart and brilliant engineer and managed to fix your own problems but we are not as bright as you Abner.

My system was so much simpler, I am running a much conservative alcohol kit and is still as reliable, you already know the results (30-to 145mph that night remember)?.

Again, I am not saying my SMC is the best, I know that the failsafe is not the best and more reliable but look around, I had 0 failures with a cost of $500, you had 2 failures with a cost of $3000(fancy aquamist+HKS DLI II)

Take care Abner!! I might go and visit you sometime this summer.

Carlos
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Nice to hear back from you Abner. So you want me to call Steve for pricing verification or do you need a part from him?

The estimates on your water system were given to me from you in more than one ocasion. Maybe you don't remember or maybe you did not include other bit and pieces that you had to buy in order to make your system sucessful but those were the aproximate numbers you gave me.

As per the failure on the water system, yes indeed you had one but it never affected the safety of the car as you were able to fix it the same day. Maybe you don't call it a failure but something came loose that you had to put it together quickly.

The issue with the pump apparently was responded by Steve on the actual topic that we open. I thought you called him directly but now that i recall it wasn't the case, he responded directly on the topic we opened .

Did you get the stuff for you car? You should already had them by now. When are you coming back , people here miss you.

I still want to go there to Austin to see you. By the way, can you convince Edwin to please keep his MR? Take care Abner!

Carlos
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
Thanks for the beer but I'm maintaining s0briety. Even after my engine blows as you predicted.

Bottom line with WM systems, it doesn't matter the amount of money invested or the quality of the product's manufacture, the kit will more likely cause your car to blow up if it isn't installed with care and preventative maintenance in mind.
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