Dual m10's
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Dual m10's
I'm considering running 2 m10 nozzles for my 67mm Q-trim setup do you all think this would be too mouch?
I'll be running 28-30 psi on 91 octane and 100% methanol.
This is SMC kit.
Also anyon ehave sugestions on the switch settings i was planning on having it start at 8psi and be at full flow by 20
I'll be running 28-30 psi on 91 octane and 100% methanol.
This is SMC kit.
Also anyon ehave sugestions on the switch settings i was planning on having it start at 8psi and be at full flow by 20
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i run 2 M10s w my Alkycontrol (progressive) system on my Rx7. around 1200 cc/minute. i have removed 35% of my base fuel (max on my base is 4900) and am making above 500 rwhp.
2 M10s are for 500-600 rwhp
1 M15 is for 500
1 M10 is 450-500.
the number, say 15, denotes gallons per hour. there are 63 cc/minute for each gallon per hour at, i believe, 100 psi line pressure.
i hope this helps.
howard coleman
2 M10s are for 500-600 rwhp
1 M15 is for 500
1 M10 is 450-500.
the number, say 15, denotes gallons per hour. there are 63 cc/minute for each gallon per hour at, i believe, 100 psi line pressure.
i hope this helps.
howard coleman
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If I was running two m10 nozzles I would run twin pumps, better yet, twin systems. Atomization would really stink with that size nozzle (larger nozzle = bigger droplet size per psi), 30 psi, and one pump trying to push 1200ml/min.
No failsafe needed, twin kit injection would be a failsafe in itself - when one of the pumps seize or fail, the other one will back up. Unless of course both pumps die at once - that would be unlucky
No failsafe needed, twin kit injection would be a failsafe in itself - when one of the pumps seize or fail, the other one will back up. Unless of course both pumps die at once - that would be unlucky
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The alkycontrol pump can handle three jets. I have seen m15,m15,m10 on a 35r car with 93 octane. Block was 9.2/1 compression. Was tuned to 33psi when the AEM failed. Was working quite well. I say ditch the SMC kit for the superior alkycontrol. And start with two m15s and add a third if its not enough.
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after actually running/tuning an Alkycontrol system w 2 M10s it is my opinion that it can easily and efficiently handle 2 M10s. i have excellent ditribution between my 2 rotors based on digitally logged egts on each rotor.
i believe the Alkycontrol system is of great quality. plug n play. all aeroquip w brass fittings. my alcohol launch point has not varied more than .15 of a psi.
howard coleman
i believe the Alkycontrol system is of great quality. plug n play. all aeroquip w brass fittings. my alcohol launch point has not varied more than .15 of a psi.
howard coleman
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Originally Posted by howard coleman
i run 2 M10s w my Alkycontrol (progressive) system on my Rx7. around 1200 cc/minute. i have removed 35% of my base fuel (max on my base is 4900) and am making above 500 rwhp.
2 M10s are for 500-600 rwhp
1 M15 is for 500
1 M10 is 450-500.
the number, say 15, denotes gallons per hour. there are 63 cc/minute for each gallon per hour at, i believe, 100 psi line pressure.
i hope this helps.
howard coleman
2 M10s are for 500-600 rwhp
1 M15 is for 500
1 M10 is 450-500.
the number, say 15, denotes gallons per hour. there are 63 cc/minute for each gallon per hour at, i believe, 100 psi line pressure.
i hope this helps.
howard coleman
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Originally Posted by C6C6CH3vo
If I was running two m10 nozzles I would run twin pumps, better yet, twin systems. Atomization would really stink with that size nozzle (larger nozzle = bigger droplet size per psi), 30 psi, and one pump trying to push 1200ml/min.
I have tested the system and here is how it breaks down:
1x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces 250psi pressure
2x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces over 180psi pressure
3x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces over 150psi pressure
So even if you were flowing 3xM15s worth, with head pressure at 150psi and assume even 40psi of boost, you still have the meth coming out at over 110psi. Consider that your fuel injectors spray between 43-55psi depending on your FPR settings, and Methanol has a much better cP than petrol, so atomization big shot is not an issue and this is exactly the reason why despite intake manifolds not being able to flow 'liquid' very evenly, it presents no problem with methanol injection.
No failsafe needed, twin kit injection would be a failsafe in itself - when one of the pumps seize or fail, the other one will back up. Unless of course both pumps die at once - that would be unlucky
No offense, just wanted to correct some massive misinformation.
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Originally Posted by racegate
I have tested the system and here is how it breaks down:
1x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces 250psi pressure
2x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces over 180psi pressure
3x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces over 150psi pressure
1x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces 250psi pressure
2x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces over 180psi pressure
3x M15 nozzles with the pump at 100% duty cycle produces over 150psi pressure
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Originally Posted by coolingmist
Not Possible.
Racegate has been tuning and running meth injection since before coolingmist was even a company.
I consider his opinion to be one of the most trusted in the meth injection arena.
His degreed engineering background certainly qualifies him to make technical posts in a subject of expertise for him and he has experience with nearly every pump, jet and kit in the marketplace.
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
If you only knew whose opinion you were attempting to contradict.
Racegate has been tuning and running meth injection since before coolingmist was even a company.
I consider his opinion to be one of the most trusted in the meth injection arena.
His degreed engineering background certainly qualifies him to make technical posts in a subject of expertise for him and he has experience with nearly every pump, jet and kit in the marketplace.
Racegate has been tuning and running meth injection since before coolingmist was even a company.
I consider his opinion to be one of the most trusted in the meth injection arena.
His degreed engineering background certainly qualifies him to make technical posts in a subject of expertise for him and he has experience with nearly every pump, jet and kit in the marketplace.
not to change the topic but I'm guessing the m7 nozzle is sufficient for an evo running 350-400hp and @ 28 lbs w/ stock turbo
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Originally Posted by SiCKlEyWiKeD
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not to change the topic but I'm guessing the m7 nozzle is sufficient for an evo running 350-400hp and @ 28 lbs w/ stock turbo
not to change the topic but I'm guessing the m7 nozzle is sufficient for an evo running 350-400hp and @ 28 lbs w/ stock turbo
Even on a 35R @ 28psi, personally I felt it was sufficient based on the datalogs.
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
In my experience this combo has worked well on the SMC kits for the stock turbo.
Even on a 35R @ 28psi, personally I felt it was sufficient based on the datalogs.
Even on a 35R @ 28psi, personally I felt it was sufficient based on the datalogs.