Las Vegas Evo's
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You know Al has been great to deal with and he puts out a quality product. There were some so cal evos, that were great and everyone was really happy with their flash. I think espcially on a dyno, a custome tune can produce great results. However I just don't think it's for every evo. However the experince and service by Al have been top notch
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Originally Posted by evo81
IE-i thought you were dead there for awhile.you haven't posted in a couple of dayz.anywayz,i called out your boy smoggy for joe to run him this wekk,but i think smogz iz back'n out bra! 
I was hoping that Jame's Evo would of ran at least 12 flat at 115mph and call me out but I guess that was being a lil optimistic. This suks but the local track is open this week so if Joe wants Smoggy in Cali he can bring it this Sat.
Originally Posted by lil'evil_evo
hey jo, how did you install your safcII? did you use a harness or did you just splice it? thanks.
Originally Posted by IE Evo
This suks but the local track is open this week so if Joe wants Smoggy in Cali he can bring it this Sat.
My car runs as reliable as a stock car. Never had to retune the ems. I will be finishing a c16 tune and alcky/water injection tune sometime in the future. The only thing I can think of is the stroked motor is being held back by the 3037 because others have had well over 600 to 650whp on a gt35r stroked motor. The problem with most ems cars are the owners. They keep changing parts out or wanting to try something new and that brings gray into the picture. He has to always retune based on these new additions. I installed everything at once tuned it once on the street and a dyno tune and it was done. There is always something new that can be added with the ems. I plan on having him tune it once again for a more aggressive tune since I am pretty conservative now. Piggy backs are great but I dont think they allow for full potential at high power levels. Reliability is also a concern; I can run my car on a roadrace track all day and not sweat it. Drag tunes are a different story. The ems is great becasue of it features and logging capability as well, a two step limiter that allows you to keep your foot mashed on the pedal and shift is a nice option same with the antilag feature. By the way my tune is on a stock head and tb which is amazing in itself becasue of the power we have pulled out of it..
Originally Posted by IE Evo
Gofaster87 the EMS is great, do not hear me wrong but are you able to have a consistent reliable tune with it or are you always requiring Dr. Gray to do lil tweaks here and there depending on changes in environmental conditions. As far as the AFC vs. Xedes debate I believe they both get the job done but with a turbo upgrade the timing control of the Xedes can induce a better smoother tune. BTW John is against the AFC but I feel it is a good cheap tuning tool that works great.
The Xede uses the stock maf and I am at 494 whp on Vp 109 and over 450 whp on 100 octane; so that is enough proof that 500 whp can be safely achieved with a piggyback. FWIW That stroker kit Evo of GT Motorsports(same turbo 3037) with the Ems, ported head, basically fully built and everything on the planet for mods was only putting out 507 whp on c-16 the week my car put out 494 whp. I heard that recently Dr. Gray got 527 whp on the latest session. Also when all these EMS guys track their cars it seems that Dr. Gray is on hand to do lil tweaks to ensure that their cars are runnin optimal. The stroked car trapped 122 mph(same as mine) at the same dragstrip the next night but IMO it appeared to have a better power band from lookin at the slip and his 1/8 mile trapspeed. Extra displacement and raised rev limiter is a lil advantage. Stroked built motors have their advantages.
As far as John is concerned he can keep his MBC if he wants and use it with the xedes. Some wonder if a MBC can hold boost till redline a lil longer than the xedes but I think that is moot point at this stage. With proper tuning the xedes has proven itself to make good reliable power and it is not a PITA like the AEM EMS. Can u make more Whp with an EMS? In some instances I am sure you can but when you do is the reliability unadulterated? Xede uses the ECUs ability to pull timing and impede knock events to save the engine i do not believe that the EMS is as capable of saving ur Engines Azz when needed.
The Xede uses the stock maf and I am at 494 whp on Vp 109 and over 450 whp on 100 octane; so that is enough proof that 500 whp can be safely achieved with a piggyback. FWIW That stroker kit Evo of GT Motorsports(same turbo 3037) with the Ems, ported head, basically fully built and everything on the planet for mods was only putting out 507 whp on c-16 the week my car put out 494 whp. I heard that recently Dr. Gray got 527 whp on the latest session. Also when all these EMS guys track their cars it seems that Dr. Gray is on hand to do lil tweaks to ensure that their cars are runnin optimal. The stroked car trapped 122 mph(same as mine) at the same dragstrip the next night but IMO it appeared to have a better power band from lookin at the slip and his 1/8 mile trapspeed. Extra displacement and raised rev limiter is a lil advantage. Stroked built motors have their advantages.
As far as John is concerned he can keep his MBC if he wants and use it with the xedes. Some wonder if a MBC can hold boost till redline a lil longer than the xedes but I think that is moot point at this stage. With proper tuning the xedes has proven itself to make good reliable power and it is not a PITA like the AEM EMS. Can u make more Whp with an EMS? In some instances I am sure you can but when you do is the reliability unadulterated? Xede uses the ECUs ability to pull timing and impede knock events to save the engine i do not believe that the EMS is as capable of saving ur Engines Azz when needed.
Originally Posted by lil'evil_evo
that's why i asked because i remember him having a problem with the stock flash back. so if you go and have the po300 code the ecu will work like stock?
On a side note - the 0300 code flash has just been REVISED as there is a new variatnt which means there are 3 seperate factory flash versions for 2003 and 2004 - all of which are NOT interchangeable.
Not a big issue - just something to keep in mind.
Originally Posted by EvoallovEr
The car does run better, I'm just not satisfied with the results for the $$$.
I charged $375 for a custom tune with the flash and your car runs better and smoother with more power.
On 91 octane fuel, I don't know what your expectations were, however please realize that 91 octane fuel is rather weak and 90% of the tuning is smothing out the power curve and making it run smoothly and safe.
Finally - if you were not happy wih the results why did you not have it flashed back to stock after you went on your test drive after the flash? That is why I ask everyone to take a test drive afterwards and make sure they are happy so that I can do additional tuning or adjustment if needed to make the cutsomer feel satisfied.
Additional note - I see some discussion here on this thread regarding SAFC tuning with my flash and without my flash.
Note that in EVERY case a SAFC will be more effective over my reflash than over the stock tune. Several reasons for this
1 - Stock ecu switches back and forth between two maps and the SAFC does not
2 - SAFC has unitended effects on ignition timing which result in overly advanced timing, knock and rough power curve and low tq with pump gas - espespecially 91 octane.
3 - SAFC can not take into account gear dependant trims, coolant enrichment and other fuel trim adjustments which move the a/f target under various operating conditions.
Fact is that a SAFC can never achive the same results as a reflash no matter who is doing the tuning.
Thanks
Message is for Jesse: I need to know about how much your dad would paint my hood? and I have a friend that has the new Camry that would like his Full bodykit to be fitted, bolted on, and stock painted by your dad.. how much will that be? The kit is Fiber glaass too.. let me know how much he would do it for.. Someone please ask this, to Jesse, for me.. thanks
Originally Posted by joEvo8
So, me not getting the P0300 code means.. I have the good batch of ECU?? Not sure if I should just take it to the dealer to get it flashed. ?? When I havent' seen that code pop up yet..
According to the experts at ecutek who have greater code hacking ability than I - each factory revision has included additional updates and features - kind of like updating your windows softwear.
Finally - please note that the mitsubishi dealer has the abiliy to install the 0300 code over any version of ecu code.
Originally Posted by evo81
IE-i thought you were dead there for awhile.you haven't posted in a couple of dayz.anywayz,i called out your boy smoggy for joe to run him this wekk,but i think smogz iz back'n out bra!