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Old Sep 20, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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I have the Works HFC and have never had a CEL, putting around 15,000 miles on it. Lately my friend "got boost" has been getting them with his Works HFC. He has the works DP, and cat back also.. along with GFB BOV and 272 cams, stock ecu. Seems like this is only happening to some people.
Yes, it does seem that way. I guess if you are lucky, you won't get it. Unfortunately, some of us are the unlucky ones. Hopefully, WORKS will come up with a defeat very soon.
Old Sep 22, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Alias
Yes, it does seem that way. I guess if you are lucky, you won't get it. Unfortunately, some of us are the unlucky ones. Hopefully, WORKS will come up with a defeat very soon.
I like WORKS products alot. However on this matter, It will either be the
stock cat or testpipe with the O2 fix.




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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Alias
Yes, it does seem that way. I guess if you are lucky, you won't get it. Unfortunately, some of us are the unlucky ones. Hopefully, WORKS will come up with a defeat very soon.
If you are getting a CEL because of a real catalyst inefficiency then a "defeat" won't help in the long run. Once you undergo emissions testing they will know whether your cat is working properly or not.

HFCs work by allowing quicker exhaust gas through-put (fewer cells per inch). If the levels of precious metals on the remaining cells aren't increased accordingly to remove pollutants then you will almost certainly have CEL problems sooner, or later. People seem to think that the CEL from a HFC is a "good" thing because it proves that the cat is flowing more efficiently than the OEM one. This is not the case. The CEL shows that the cat is less efficient.

Also, the other critical parameter (apart from the levels of precious metals) is the basic substrate of the cat.....ceramic cats are more prone to "melt-down" than SS cats, especially if your car isn't tuned properly to account for aftermarket mods.
Old Sep 23, 2005 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MTMS4
... People seem to think that the CEL from a HFC is a "good" thing because it proves that the cat is flowing more efficiently than the OEM one. This is not the case. The CEL shows that the cat is less efficient.
Less effecient in terms of removing pollutants. But, the gas-flow is more efficient, right?
Old Sep 23, 2005 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MTMS4
If you are getting a CEL because of a real catalyst inefficiency then a "defeat" won't help in the long run. Once you undergo emissions testing they will know whether your cat is working properly or not.

HFCs work by allowing quicker exhaust gas through-put (fewer cells per inch). If the levels of precious metals on the remaining cells aren't increased accordingly to remove pollutants then you will almost certainly have CEL problems sooner, or later. People seem to think that the CEL from a HFC is a "good" thing because it proves that the cat is flowing more efficiently than the OEM one. This is not the case. The CEL shows that the cat is less efficient.

Also, the other critical parameter (apart from the levels of precious metals) is the basic substrate of the cat.....ceramic cats are more prone to "melt-down" than SS cats, especially if your car isn't tuned properly to account for aftermarket mods.
Well that said nothing beats the stock cat if you need an efficient cat that won't throw a CEL. If it does, you know it is defective. And it's factory installed.
Old Sep 24, 2005 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MTMS4
If you are getting a CEL because of a real catalyst inefficiency then a "defeat" won't help in the long run. Once you undergo emissions testing they will know whether your cat is working properly or not.

HFCs work by allowing quicker exhaust gas through-put (fewer cells per inch). If the levels of precious metals on the remaining cells aren't increased accordingly to remove pollutants then you will almost certainly have CEL problems sooner, or later. People seem to think that the CEL from a HFC is a "good" thing because it proves that the cat is flowing more efficiently than the OEM one. This is not the case. The CEL shows that the cat is less efficient.

Also, the other critical parameter (apart from the levels of precious metals) is the basic substrate of the cat.....ceramic cats are more prone to "melt-down" than SS cats, especially if your car isn't tuned properly to account for aftermarket mods.
So does that mean that my HFC is defective? I really wish WORKS would provide more input regarding this topic.
Old Sep 27, 2005 | 12:51 PM
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my first light came on at 18,000ish with only 1 code...now everytime it comes on there are 2 codes in the same bank..po420
Old Sep 27, 2005 | 01:02 PM
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Only one thing to say after reading this, I am so glad to live in Florida! WORKS TBE (Old AB with no muffler) with test pipe, Perrin O2 Sim. Have never thrown a code.

YEA, no emissions! I love my WORKS exhaust!
Old Sep 28, 2005 | 01:53 PM
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The questions that need to be addressed are
1. which specific code is coming up and
2. what Non-WORKs modifications were done to your EVO? from downpipes to blowoff valves to cams, etc.

Hundreds of our customers who use are using our P2, WORKS exhaust systems and WORKS 269 cams with WORKS HFC's have not had any issues.
Old Sep 28, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kirk@WORKS
The questions that need to be addressed are
1. which specific code is coming up and
2. what Non-WORKs modifications were done to your EVO? from downpipes to blowoff valves to cams, etc.

Hundreds of our customers who use are using our P2, WORKS exhaust systems and WORKS 269 cams with WORKS HFC's have not had any issues.
Very good point.


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Old Sep 29, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kirk@WORKS
The questions that need to be addressed are
1. which specific code is coming up and
2. what Non-WORKs modifications were done to your EVO? from downpipes to blowoff valves to cams, etc.

Hundreds of our customers who use are using our P2, WORKS exhaust systems and WORKS 269 cams with WORKS HFC's have not had any issues.
And I do believe you. However, out of those hundreds, a few are having the issue. How many of those hundreds of people actually have 15k or more on the HFC, that I don't know. I do know that many with the HFC only have a few thousand miles on it. As I have mentioned, I didn't get the P0420 until a year later, which is about 15k later. Regarding the questions, you have PM. Thanks for your help.
Old Oct 29, 2005 | 07:19 PM
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this thread will determine my exhaust upgrade path. Stock cat or HFC......hmmmmm.......
because you cant run 3'' anything if you dont have a 3'' cat .......hmmmm.....
Old Oct 29, 2005 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kirk@WORKS
The questions that need to be addressed are
1. which specific code is coming up and
2. what Non-WORKs modifications were done to your EVO? from downpipes to blowoff valves to cams, etc.

Hundreds of our customers who use are using our P2, WORKS exhaust systems and WORKS 269 cams with WORKS HFC's have not had any issues.
I have the Works TR340 package with their valve springs, retainers etc. The only non-Works modifications to my car have nothing to do with the engine or exaust.

I dont know what code since I was too cheap to buy an ODBII scanner.


FWIW, I started this thread. For whatever reason, the CEL went away. Same setup, same gas etc. Hasn't returned in months. Maybe the CEL light bulb went bad or I finally destroyed the O2 sensor entirely with all that brake cleaner!
 
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