from a dead stop a lightly modded evo or even stock could take an m3. i remember when i only had my intake/exhaust, i killed a new m3, but given the fact that it was a drop top and sportshifting.
but anyway, how many of u with WORKS cams are using the stock springs and retainers? and how much was the install??? i already have the p2 with my intake, exhaust, downpipe setup. would i have to get a new reflash to compliment the cams?

 

I think JStockdale has the WORKS 269 cams with the stock springs and retainers. I think installation price depends on where you decide to go. I've seen people say they take anywhere from 5 hours to 2 hours to install.

And yes, you would need a new reflash for the cams, but WORKS won't charge you for the reflash since it is all part of the package.

 

I have the full WORKS package, exhaust, TB, P2 and Cams, and use the stock retainers and springs...no problems whatsoever.


Percy

 

Hagakure, Do you have the WORKS DP and IP or just the EXHALE?

-thanks

 

I think he has the downpipe, intermediate pipe and the Exhale. He mentioned TB in his list, which I assume is a turboback.

 

OH I thought TB---aperature--Throttle Body.

my bad....who out there has the complete WORKS exhaust?

 

d0h! I didn't even think of the throttle body. Yer probably right about that one.

JStockdale has the complete WORKS exhaust package. If you want to listen to it, check out this link.

 

I have the entire works package, down pipe, IP, Axle-Back, Cams, Throttle Body and P2. True to form this package does not make the peak HP that some other tuners make, but drivebility, TORQUE in gobs, and power under the curve is exceptional. My goal is to make my car a full-on track car within 2 years, and this power set-up is more than enough. My attention will be turning towards suspension next, which I will probably have RRE dial in.

Percy (Hagakure)

 

Just a question...I have been trying to decide where or who will do my ecu flash. I was going to go with a dynoflash, but have since been talked out of it and am leaning toward the P2 again. My goal is 300 whp, I dont think its that difficult, but I have seen some WORKS cars with way more than I have with not even 300 whp?? Im not bashing them at all, I am pretty good friends with one time employee David V and talk to him almost on a daily basis. But I honestly dont know if the P2 is the route I should take. Any ideas are appreciated or comments if im wrong.

I have a 3" Invidia Catback, 3" Helix DP, K&N drop in filter, soon... UR 3" Test Pipe, Cams, maybe HKS 264's (had them on my MR2 and loved them) a Boost Controller (unless I get the P2) what do you guys figure ballpark my hp #'s woould be with those mods?

 

Rating horse power numbers is a weird thing. It all depends on certain things like the current weather, what dyno you are on, gas, what phase the moon is in, etc.

I would guess yer close to 280 - 290 whp with the cams, test pipe and P2 included in the mix. And the best thing is that your car will be tuned for all 5 gears and all throttle positions, not just one gear and one throttle position. Also, why are you going with 264 cams? Why not a combo of 264/272?

 

Hey ... you forgot about reverse. WORKS tunes for reverse gear at both full and part throttle for your Starsky and Hutch driving pleasure.

In truth, the light-sabered one makes a good point. One cannot emphasize enough the importance of appropriate load-based boost mapping since the Evo's ECU maps boost according to load (and as a corollary to that, different throttle positions in different gears will present differing loads on the engine). Needless to say, this is much more sophisticated than what one could achieve with a boost controller.

Bottom line: even if the static WOT single-gear peak HP numbers are very close between WORKS and tuner X, Y, or Z, the driving experience is going to be quite different.

As far as cams go, I think the 269s are a better match for the car than a staggered if for no other reason than the fact that no one has spent as much time tuning for a 264/272 combo as WORKS has on the 269s cams that they offer -- and at the end of the day, it comes down to how much time and money has been spent on the development of mapping for the application. Anyway, the whole premise of the 269 cam was to offer something that slotted between an HKS 264 and the 272 that they offer. For maintaining a nearly stock idle, with more aggressive top end characteristics than those that can be achieved with a 264 cam, the 269s are near impossible to beat.

-- DavidV

 

David,
Good to hear from you again!

As a current works customer yet to purchase any cams - let me speak up about the problems a lot of us have with the 269's..... We don't really know jack about them! I have read some good reviews from a few people on the west coast, and seen like 2 dyno's, but that is about it. Tyler has answered a few questions which has helped.

For the most part, those of us living outside of California are in the dark on the 269 cams and a majority of any newer Works products. I guess I'm asking for some increased knowledge sharing here. Thanks all.