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Old May 24, 2007 | 05:03 AM
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You should have either a fifth injector or bigger injectors to compensate for the additional fuel the turbo will need. I am not sure how Christine's car is set up, but I am sure it's with more fuel than the stock setup can produce.

the evo8 fuel rail will work, it's been done already. You would switch to the evo8 rail so you don't have to upgrade your injectors, you should be able to supply enough fuel with a better pump and a fuel pressure regulator. Either way until you do BOTH you will only be able to boost but so much.

Holy moly that fuel rail is expensive. I would search and see if there are any used evo8 rails available, and this is one of the parts you should definitely be in the junkyard looking for. Upgrading to a fuel rail that is an upgrade for an evo is way overkill.
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Old May 24, 2007 | 06:27 AM
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try looking for the obx evo fuelrail it's a good product and it's cheap...
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Old May 24, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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Nice to see it coming along neighbor.
I may look you up when i do my piping if thats ok....
no problem man, I am in Huntersville now so I am a good bit closer to you now too. If you need any of my spare piping I am sure I will have a good bit.

for that matter I will have plenty of 3" .120" wall 6063 alum pipe and 3" .120" wall Domestic mechanical steel pipe left over from this project if anyone LOCAL enough to drive to my location would like some assistance.

I will also be getting rid of my 1st gen RRM downpipe and high flow cat. This DP bolts to the factory header and is slightly longer than the factory downpipe due to the magnaflow high flow cat, so you will not be able to just bolt this up. a couple of inches will need to be taken out of the midpipe section - in between the stock resonator and second o2 sensor is the easiest spot. The flange is unchanged. I will post pics in a proper for sale thread when I am ready to sell, it's a long way away at this point.
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Old May 24, 2007 | 10:33 PM
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Thanks bud. Im getting my beater in line now so i can tear my body apart to throw on that kit. Im intrested in possibly making an exhaust for later since you would already have done it once if not then ill get it done myself. Right now i just gotta get this dam kit on its been sittin in storage forever....Hopefully when i get done ill have my CC paid off so i can get the rrm kit. The intercooler will look beutiful with the bumper i got

Hit me up if you ever need any assistance or anything else dan.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 04:56 AM
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it will definitely look good with that bumper. I painted mine so it's less visible, I'm going the opposite way Now I have two credit cards to pay off! +1 to 0% introductory rates

I still haven't fixed my bumper, btw
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Old May 25, 2007 | 09:27 AM
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Ya slacker but kudos on the direction your going. I bet your GF rolls her eyes ev time you say something about it lol
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Old May 25, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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EVERY time
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Old May 25, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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^lol, why do people do that, like ur some try hard muztek, its like i want to create something awesome and step back and say "i built that"
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Old May 27, 2007 | 01:36 PM
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muztek.. had to look that one up. You could always put something together with lego ?
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Old May 27, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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^also for those who dont know (it mainly stems from aussie wogs)
ubandictionary: Muztek...usually another name for a muzza. They walk around like kings of everything and usually have a Maria girlfriend.
Muztek are usually thoes guys you see with VL Turbos broo. fully sick ulehhh

legos kool to, but my nephews usually break everything i make
but a turbo kits like big engineering prject that i can be proud of
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Old May 28, 2007 | 06:37 AM
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+1 on that, the privilege of saying "that's whay I did" is half the finished product for me

getting ready to install my guages, gonna snap some pics and write a seperate DIY for this part. I will include the oil feel adapter in this DIY. Check back tonight.
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Old May 28, 2007 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DangerousDan
You should have either a fifth injector or bigger injectors to compensate for the additional fuel the turbo will need. I am not sure how Christine's car is set up, but I am sure it's with more fuel than the stock setup can produce.
I am running 4 larger injectors I think they are 390cc or 410cc I am not 100% sure on that I can look it up later... and I am still runing factory fuel rail... but no MAF ( the sensor on intake) the ECU is running on a open loop ( again I am not 100% sure on what that means but it sounds good)

the car is now running on about 12psi and no fueling problems - my tuning knowledge is very limited but I am able to connect the laptop to the Haltech and see what the air fuel ratios are doing at idle the car runs rich and when ever we have tried to lighten it up the car does not seem to idle as nice it "feels" like it is struggling but looking at the readings it says it should be perfect so we went by feel and the car does not mind the extra fuel - when at full boost the air fuel ratios are perfect no leaning out of fuel at all.

We are looking into a new fuel rail for my car not that it really needs it as the fuel side of the car is perfect I suppose this is partly because of the Haltech and the way we can pull fuel out of the tune but alot of people who have gone big N.A are using a Evo 8 or 9 fuel rail and blocking off one end (due to it being a return fuel line)
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Old May 28, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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ok so im a little confused, some say u must make return fuel system, some(ie christine) are returnless,
i think for ease of install ill leave it returnless, but can some point out advantages and disadvantages of each, coz havent found much searching.
also injectors are expensive and hard to find :S ... think ill just get a place to source them for me ...

christine, i think with the open loop thing(my knowledge is limited also) it makes the maps 'on the fly' sorta thing, i read about it i think with the eManage blue or something similar

Dan, im going the sandwich adapter as it looks the best and easy to use (from glowshift on ebay - fits evo8, but some1 with RA id it fits in another thread) but the thing is its god damn expensive to ship to AUS, 30$ for the part, quoted $76 shipping!?!? (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....MEWA:IT&ih=015)
so i may have to look around locally aswell but yeah...


oh yeah also (sorry if im higg jacking, just need a Q answered)
my turbo arrived yesterday but im a lill confused
there is a whole in it, but i think thats where it spose to have a door thing if its internally wastegated, but it doesnt have the door or actuator and i plan on running external wastegate, so what do i do, leave it? weld it up? (soz for noobness)

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Old May 29, 2007 | 08:43 AM
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ok so im a little confused, some say u must make return fuel system, some(ie christine) are returnless,
i think for ease of install ill leave it returnless, but can some point out advantages and disadvantages of each, coz havent found much searching.
also injectors are expensive and hard to find :S ... think ill just get a place to source them for me ...

christine, i think with the open loop thing(my knowledge is limited also) it makes the maps 'on the fly' sorta thing, i read about it i think with the eManage blue or something similar

Dan, im going the sandwich adapter as it looks the best and easy to use (from glowshift on ebay - fits evo8, but some1 with RA id it fits in another thread) but the thing is its god damn expensive to ship to AUS, 30$ for the part, quoted $76 shipping!?!? (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....MEWA:IT&ih=015)
so i may have to look around locally aswell but yeah...


oh yeah also (sorry if im higg jacking, just need a Q answered)
my turbo arrived yesterday but im a lill confused
there is a whole in it, but i think thats where it spose to have a door thing if its internally wastegated, but it doesnt have the door or actuator and i plan on running external wastegate, so what do i do, leave it? weld it up? (soz for noobness)
I need a pic of the turbo to see what you are talking about.

don't buy a sandwich adapter, you don't need to spend that much money for something you can do another way. find a 1/8NPT three way (four way if you want to have an oil gauge of some type) and put it where the oil pressure sensor is on the engine, it is threaded 1/8NPT already so it will screw right back into the T. You have get the T off the engine far enough to work with it, so maybe a 1/8NPT extension if you think you need the room. One reason I say that is the aftermarket pressure sensor that came with my gauge is like twice the size of the stock one. these fittings should be available at most hardware or auto parts stores.

there are no disadvantages to going to a returnless system, except you have to do the work. benefits are you can control the pressure going into the fuel rail so you have more control over your fuel, also you can use a FMU to control fuel pressure like you control fuel with a piggyback (against RPM or boost in other words.) not going to a return system now will limit how high you can boost. If your target is more than 10psi you will definitely have to go to a return style system, our pump will only handle some much fuel before it's maxed out, and aftermarket fuel pumps require a return style system.

I'm not saying you can't boost upwards of 10psi with only injectors, but from what I have read and been told you will start to see fuel starvation.
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Old May 29, 2007 | 08:51 AM
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I think I am up to 12 psi now and have not got any fuel starvation problems at all... and only have a stock fuel pump......

Not saying my setup is the only way to setup a turbo as I was of the same opinion you are talking about "needing to have a return fuel line" but so far so good everything is running perfectly were fuel is concerned
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