let's also note that i'm fairly certain the previous owner of my car was shifting it like a dog box...

 

this is goona sound really stupid after everything ive been saying but i went to partsource and looked at the gearoils MTF and MTG, the MTF bottle didnt say anywhere on it that it works for 75-w90 or gl-4 and i know i wouldn't have bought teh fluid unless it said this, the fluid is much much darker then what i remember putting into my trans i remember a color more like the MTG.

Im certain that i was using the MTG and not the MTF like i have been saying for a while now, im just in the process of trying to find some evidence so i know for sure (picture of my bottle, a bottle, or the receipt) went through alot of my old posts and i never once really specified which i used.

Hoping to find something so i can put an end to this ridiculous argument between alot of people

 

Chalk it up to experience Rob.
I bought my first bike at an auction. It was 12 years old, no manual and I had no internet access then, not that it would have mattered.
Spent 10 months getting it road worthy and finally the day for the first start up and ride came.

I put gear oil 80-90 or similar in the gearbox. The engine started and ran well, revving with a beautiful noise.
But every time I put it in gear it stalled. We adjusted the clutch to no avail, then pulled the gearbox apart and reassembled it.
When I was refilling the oil, my father asked, how did you know that this is the oil to use ?

I replied, well it's gear oil and this is a gear box aint it, brimming with 19 year old confidence ?

That seed of doubt lead me to call a friend who recommended that I use engine oil.
15 minutes later, gearbox full of engine oil I was storming up and down my street pissing off my neighbours with a smile.

 

This is great news turns out i was right i made a mistake it wasnt MTF, it was MTG that i had purchased and used. Which makes sense cause i wouldn't have bought the oil that didnt say 75w-90 gl-4 on the bottle.

I dont know what else to say i put MTG in two seperate times nad had nothing but problems and then placed OEM back in and had a huge improvement. Going to message the girl at AMSOIl back and show her the receipt

 

LOL, this guy again, you always contradict yourself. I would like to refer you to post #47 of this thread:

YOU FAIL, STOP POSTING BS. You didn't even reply to my reply, refer to post 49, here's a link for you to click: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/10155844-post49.html

AMSOIL Sucks in our transmissions. PERIOD.


Going back to you Rob, yeah, MTG caused my transmission to go to crap in 10000Km. Now I am using Genuine Honda MTF. It's working great and I have 12000Km on it now, and at only $9 a bottle it's cheap and great stuff. Next change I'll try GM SM FM ($15 a bottle) and I'll post up my results. Good to hear things are coming back together.

 

EPIC WIN! Glad you shut up that guy! AMS Oil FTL

I personally run BG Synchro Shift. Works great! Havent tried anything else tho so cant comment on what you guys are running.

 

^ damn...

 

I was wondering if Canada Comp was still on this forum lol

 

lol you guys are awsome. after my experience i think im goona stick with OEM for the time being untill i get the trans sorted out. It was great before i did the swap to MTG and started to have problems and it helped out a considerable amount after putting it back in after all the problems.

My only concern now is why did i have the problem with the rough release out of first sometimes, i didnt replace that gear since it looked fine and the selector looked fine no signs of force or wear so im hoping it was just down to the oil and now she will shift beautifully again i really am dying to just drive my RA again properly.

 

I want to get this on the right track, here is what some ppl say about there experiences using amsoil

ezzy -uses mtg in his evo for 30 000 miles no problems
me (Rallyartrob) -problems with mtg
Canada comp -problems with mtf and mtg
Ralliart367 -uses mtg had problems but has improved
Nekkliad -used it problems
Cranswick -used it said it didn't do great in high temp driving but no problems in normal donsitions

most ppl seem to lean towards the redline brand either mt90 or a mix of mtl and mt90 if you drive in cold temps


I talked with the girl at AMSOIL for about 30 mins today trying to go through everything that ive done and everything that had happened. She commented that my problem was probably because of the "modifications" i did to second gear for the dremeleing (which i know was a problem) of the dog teeth on second but no way to proof this from either side. Im not sure if she fully understood that i did this a year after i started using MTG. Without having a sample of oil to send them for analysis there is no 100% sure way to determine what the problem was way back at the beginning for me.
She also commented that the dealer she was talking to from this thread was referring to use MTF in modified racing transmissions not necessarily a stock RA application.
Overall the customer service was good with AMSOIL i wish i had focused towards the fluid back when i first started having problems instead of leaning towards synchros (from blocked shifts not grinds)

She also commented that Mitsubishi released a press release back in 2004 about the RA having problems with shifts from 2nd into 3rd gear and R as well, apparently this was fixed tho by changing the design of some gear or components not sure.

If anyone is, or has used MTG fluid that had similar problems that we are experiencing please forward the fluid to AMSOIL i would be interested to find out the analysis results as im sure a few other people as well.

I have no doubt that it was MTG that i put into my trans and not MTF. And the only other thing i can add is that the car was shifting great before with the OEM oil and had improved shifter feel again after switching back to OEM but i have no way to definitively say it was the oil causing me grief.

 

i had a notchy 3rd gear even after a synchro change, i tried 3 fluids, motomaster (from CT), pennzoil, and AMSoil...they all worked decent, but when i switched to redline the 3rd gear notchiness vanished, and i could shifter quicker than before...

 

i might give the mt90 a try if im having problems with the release out of first still

 

did i mention mine does that but only if i pull on it slightly before the clutch is fully disengaged...just feels like it was still under load when it was pulled out...

 

im thinking that was part of my problem as well, prepping for a block into second maybe i was pulling to earlier not sure, might also have been related to my clutch master/slave problem i had but i dont remember. I figured if it was damage on the gears i would have saw some sort of burr or wear marks on the selector but they looked fine.

Ill find out in a month and a bit tho and if i am still having the problems ill order the gear and do it during my break between semesters at the end of april.

 

Cars back on the ground and ready to go, hopefully take it for a spin tomorrow and give it a bit of a work through the new gears.