You should have not been using MTG GL4 in the tranny on a ralli art.

I would have reccomended to use:

 

Pardon me but on Amsoil's website:

Enter 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer with the 2.4L engine and here is what shows up:

Synthetic Manual Transmission and Transaxle
Gear Lube 75W-90 API GL-4 (MTG)

 

so my tranny was ok becoming a little rough before i put the amsoil in, when i did use the amsoil i put the mtf which was the synchromesh gl4 that was the proper one for my car as well as the one you had in the pic, it did horrible just went down hill fast after i put amsoil in to the point where i could hardly get into 2nd gear, not realizing it was the amsoil change that made things worse i did the rebuild and again used the amsoil because i figured there a good company or so i have heard. After the rebuild and new amsoil mtf again it started ok and again just started to go downhill, so i put oem in today and right of the back noticed a much better improvement no problems from 1,2 as well as the other gears so ill drive it in for a bit and fingers crossed hopefully it doesn't go downhill again.

somethign about the amsoil mtf just doesn't seem to work in our cars maybe like someone has said its too slippery and the gears cant slow down fast enough or properly.

And to someone else who made a comment about grinding the dog teeth, i thought maybe the rough surface of the gears dogteeth after the grinding may catch on the selector like a velcro if you will.

Edit1: just wanna add that if i had knowin it was the amsoil last year that was giving me problems i would have changed it right away and gone back to oem

 

yeah, funny you say that and the amsoil website recommends MTG.

http://www.amsoil.com/mygarage/vehic...e&celsius=True

I used MTG and MTF: MTG sucked; MTF sucked less, motul and oem were way better.

I think you should stop assuming all amsoil products are the top of the line. That may be hard for you since you are a dealer and make money by selling the products, but you shouldn't give advice that is false to sell a product.

Does amsoil make good products? Yes
Is everything they have the best of the best? No

There are many that have experienced worst shift feel and function of the transmission as a result of using a synthetic fluid such as amsoil. You can't deny or blame the user as to not knowing how to shift and blame it on another issue that caused bad function of the transmission.

Fact is, people used amsoil in the transmission, then switched it out with another fluid and had improved shift feel. If you want to blame it on worn amsoil fluid go ahead, but amsoil claims extended service life (reference http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mtg.aspx for MTG [twice service life of oem oil, oem interval for transmissions recommending synthetics]) seeing how we aren't required to use synthetic transmission fluid, we should be able to go 60000 miles based on the regular fluid interval, 30000 miles based on the severe usage schedule. seeing how people are changing these at OEM intervals, the fluid shouldn't be past it's claimed service life
(reference http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/mtf.aspx for MTF [up to 50000 miles or longer])

Also I will reference the fluid specifications, our transmission was stated to use 75w-90 GL4 based on the owners manual and service manual, not the MTF 5w-30. You can argue that the scale for gear oil and motor oil are different, but seeing how MTF is not GL-4 rated, nor how it is not the recommended oil on the amsoil website, your claim that I used the wrong fluid is falsified.

I would like to hear any rebuttals you have.

 

My shifts feel reeeal crisp with the redline MTL just a little notchy plan on getting under hood bushing and shifter bushings to see how much better it gets but it's 5x better than before I think I used mt90 before I'd have to check my store account..

 

The MTF amsoil fluid i got was a 75w-90 gl-4 synthetic syncrhomesh which matched all the criteria in the owners manual.

also add i know i read somwhere that a 75w-90 gear oil is the same consitancy or something as a like 5w-30 (i dont remember exactly which) engine oil. so the MTF 5w-30 that u reference above could still be the proper oil which was probably the same one i got

Also i agree with your first comment even tho i never tried the mtg the mtf was pretty bad and never agian at least for my ralliart or next mitsu cars iget.

 

Just checked my account it was mt90 that I first put in the car and it now has MTL which feels reals nice..

 

slight update here im goona try pulling the clutch pedal out a bit more again since i put it back in after replacing the oem oil into the tranny. Seems likes its still grabbing a bit in 1/2 but still improvment over the amsoil downshifting into 2nd is hit and miss anyone have other suggestions for things i can look into?

 

I sent you a pm. mmm maybe bleed the clutch?

 

Here are a couple alternatives that meet API GL-4 as specified in the owner's manual:

ACDELCO Part No. 21018899

GM Part No. 21018899

Product Name Manual Transmission Lubricant
Description Product is recommended for most manual transmissions where API GL4 lubricants are required.

Also:

Motorcraft® Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid is a premium-quality SAE 75W-90 gear oil recommended by Ford Motor Company meeting warranty requirements. It is particularly recommended for MTX-75, MT-82 and IB5 transmissions, and is also recommended for older transmissions including rear wheel drive that recommend GL-3 and GL-4 type gear oils.

Part Number XT-M5-QS

http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricant...on%20Fluid.pdf

Impressive pour point !!!

VALVOLINE PROFESSIONAL SERIES MANUAL TRANSMISSION FLUID
For Syncromesh Applications
VPS Manual Transmission Fluid is recommended for use in manual transmissions, transaxles and transfer cases where a GL-4 gear oil is required and/or specified as a service fill recommendation (domestic or foreign).

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/vps_man...sion_fluid.pdf

 

Nice post, thanks for looking those up

Have you tried any of those fluids? how do they compare? Prices?

haha, looks like apagan01 can't rebut anything I've said, nor what anyone else has said

 

As of yesterday evening I am running the ACDELCO product. The price is $30 per quart and when the parts guy saw me whince and squirm, he said " I can give you for $21" which I accepted thankfully.

Pending catastrophe, I wont have anything to say about it till mid winter, when I would have been able to see how it works in the cold.

The way it felt wet and slippery between my fingers and how it poured was the same as the MTG to me. It does have a purple colour vs the amber MTG.
The MTG that came out was in very good condition, just a little darker than new. Not a big surprise, given that it was only in there 13 months and how easy I am on my car.

Do not get me wrong, I would buy MTG again. I had no issue with it. I am just very intrigued by reviews of other products saying how much better the shifting feels and I wanted to discover for myself. It's just that the products others use are hard to come by locally, so I just went with what I found with the ACDELCO.

Update, it's definitely winter now and the AC Delco is fine, sluggish from cold, warms up quickly.

 

mitsubishi sold me the oem stuff for 15$ a liter which is more then a quart and 1/2 the price of the adelco your quoting

 

It could be 1 cent tax included at the Mitsubishi dealer here, they are not getting my money.

Since you know they have a product, you could post it to the list though.
Name, description and product data sheet if available.

 

U guys talk about clutch work like its fun, mine was in my school for 3 weeks, for 4 3 hour clases with me and a friend working on it, the worst is shoe horning the trans out, the back bolt at like the 3 o clock postion to mount the trans to engine is a real pain to access, the halfshafts were kinda a pain too, I just put in some penzoil synromesh, didnt notice any change. What is the prefered method, engine removal or just supporting engine and droping out trans? My old ToB was dry and dusty, I know the old pressure plate had a good grove worn in it but dont remember much visible damage to the ToB.