Originally Posted by AtO-MiX

now i dont think its a pos nor do i think the lancer/ralliart is a pos...i just dont like it not because its a neon...but because its a dodge

Originally Posted by bigdoggy_dog

You're still missing the point. It's not about what is fact here. It is what is perceived in people's mind. And that is that nobody (or few) people want a Neon. The name screams cheap. But keep on arguing. I think you are the one that is missing the point in this thread. Not everyone else.


Plus, how many conversations about Evo's have you heard where they say, "man that's nothing but a crappy Lancer." But how many have you heard when someone says, "that SRT4 aint nothing but a crappy Neon." I'm willing to bet you've heard the latter a ton of a lot more.

Originally Posted by Ike

Yeah, I'm the missing the point, the Lancer is looked at in the exact same category as the Neon by most people. Where are you coming up with this crap? "And that is that nobody (or few) people want a Neon", that's hillarious because if you look at the 2004 sales totals the Neon ales totals were about equal to the entire Mitsubishi car lineup. Nearly 3x as many people wanted a Neon over a Lancer.

I've heard the argument against the SRT-4 and Evo plenty of times that they're just tarted up econoboxes, outside of this site on other car forums, the Lancer is a piece of crap and so is the Neon.

Originally Posted by Ike

The SRT-4 also beat the SVT around the road course (just like it would the Ralliart), and by all accounts is the better handler. It's clear that the SRT-4 is the best performance vehicle out of any car you or I mentioned. You argue the Ralliart was the better performer compared to two cars it lost a comparison to, yet the SRT-4 is a better performer than all those cars AND wins the cmparisons, so no silly excuses are needed to defend it. So why again are you saying the Ralliart is the better car? Who's the ignorant one? (psst, that's rhetorical, I know the answer)

From now on you just need to stick to the argument that the Ralliart looks better. Since it's completely subjective and just your opinion, at least you can stand by that rather than having to worry about pesky things like facts and figures.

Originally Posted by Ike

So why again are you saying the Ralliart is the better car?

Originally Posted by Ike

Yeah, I'm the missing the point, the Lancer is looked at in the exact same category as the Neon by most people. Where are you coming up with this crap? "And that is that nobody (or few) people want a Neon", that's hillarious because if you look at the 2004 sales totals the Neon ales totals were about equal to the entire Mitsubishi car lineup. Nearly 3x as many people wanted a Neon over a Lancer.

I've heard the argument against the SRT-4 and Evo plenty of times that they're just tarted up econoboxes, outside of this site on other car forums, the Lancer is a piece of crap and so is the Neon.

Originally Posted by AtO-MiX

The lancer/ralliart is not a pos.

Originally Posted by evo8rcr

b*llsh*t the evo is not looked at as a pos the lancer may because it is and so is the neon but not the evo and I agree that dodge's sales were way up there because a lot of people can't afford the 32k for an evo but can affor the 20k for the pos srt-4

Originally Posted by evo8rcr

I guess we all have our own opinions but I would have never ever boought either a ralliart or lancer ever but I did buy an evo sh*t I wouldn't even look at anything but an evo

Originally Posted by Ike

The Ralliart is NOT the starting platform for the Evo, the Evo is a dedicated car that shares very few parts with the Ralliart. Never at any point in history did Mitsubishi take a Lancer Ralliart and say, how are we going to turn this thing into an Evo. Now tell me where the Ralliart is "better in some places that the neon platform could ever be". You make such a bold statement yet provide no evidence of your claim. Also, your ricer math still leaves you short considering your mythical 220whp N/A RA with 2k invested would still be left trailing a SRT-4 in stock form (they dyno higher than 220whp). Lastly, that SRT-4 can go get staged packages from their dealer and still have a warranty, goodluck with warranty work on your imaginary RA.

Originally Posted by bigdoggy_dog

You're still missing the point. It's not about what is fact here. It is what is perceived in people's mind. And that is that nobody (or few) people want a Neon. The name screams cheap. But keep on arguing. I think you are the one that is missing the point in this thread. Not everyone else.


Plus, how many conversations about Evo's have you heard where they say, "man that's nothing but a crappy Lancer." But how many have you heard when someone says, "that SRT4 aint nothing but a crappy Neon." I'm willing to bet you've heard the latter a ton of a lot more.

Originally Posted by evo8rcr

I guess we all have our own opinions but I would have never ever boought either a ralliart or lancer ever but I did buy an evo sh*t I wouldn't even look at anything but an evo

Originally Posted by bigdoggy_dog

Dude seriously, the BIGGEST problem (and really only one that matters) with the SRT4 is that it is a Neon. Period. Because of that very simple fact, it carries the stigma of being a cheap American car. There is no way around it. No dyno numbers, track tests, or stage 3 turbo will take that away from it.

It may sound silly to you for so many people to look down on a car simply because of a name, but that the cold-hearted truth of the matter here. The neon is built like it's for a girl (small round edges, huge high-standing ***, cheap simple interior).

So you can sit here and argue numbers all day long, but in the end they are meaningless. This is one situation where the name alone (Neon) carries a ton of influence. Enough to make people put a blind eye to any kind of performance issues you throw them. Now on the other hand, if you just care about racing and nothing else, this could be the car for you (for the low budget racer of course). But for the others that look to their car as their everyday driver, and want it to be an extention of themself, owning a Neon doesn't represent them well.

Originally Posted by Ike

Yeah, I'm the missing the point, the Lancer is looked at in the exact same category as the Neon by most people. Where are you coming up with this crap? "And that is that nobody (or few) people want a Neon", that's hillarious because if you look at the 2004 sales totals the Neon ales totals were about equal to the entire Mitsubishi car lineup. Nearly 3x as many people wanted a Neon over a Lancer.

I've heard the argument against the SRT-4 and Evo plenty of times that they're just tarted up econoboxes, outside of this site on other car forums, the Lancer is a piece of crap and so is the Neon.