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looking to get some new parts on the RA,
i was thinking header might be my next bet for some HP gain.
but im still a noobie here, so i was looking for some advice before i started looking in the wrong direction.
any help would be appreciated.
i was thinking header might be my next bet for some HP gain.
but im still a noobie here, so i was looking for some advice before i started looking in the wrong direction.
any help would be appreciated.
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https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...hlight=headers
the search feature still work...
but i was curious what everyone thinks i should do at this point,
should i get the headers and dp, then save up for a new exhaust? (how long should i have the stock oem on the car?) like since i want to do this, i want to do it right.
advice is basically what im looking for.
the search feature still work...
but i was curious what everyone thinks i should do at this point,
should i get the headers and dp, then save up for a new exhaust? (how long should i have the stock oem on the car?) like since i want to do this, i want to do it right.
advice is basically what im looking for.
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My order would be front to back
RRM CAI + UDP
Header/Downpipe
CBE
ECU
Tune the car.
Then add on extra bits later such as ported intake manifold, camshaft etc..
Then retune as I'm pretty sure you'd like to get some rims etc.. something to dress the car up a bit in between..
RRM CAI + UDP
Header/Downpipe
CBE
ECU
Tune the car.
Then add on extra bits later such as ported intake manifold, camshaft etc..
Then retune as I'm pretty sure you'd like to get some rims etc.. something to dress the car up a bit in between..
What do you currently have on your car??? air flow mods such as intake, headers, exhaust and manifolds are 'complimentary mods" which meann they work better together. Think of your car as a human behing breathing. The intake allowed you to make bigger breaths, the intake manifold and head allowed you to have bigger lungs to hold the air, and the header and exhaust allowed you to breath the air out better. Now if you have just the header, you will get some gains, but you will be breathing out faster than your breathing in, so the air flow isnt as good as it could be. Now breath just like i desribed, take a small, normal breath in, but breath really hard and fast out... uncomfortable huh??? if you do it over and over again it'll make you weeze and get outta breath??? Now it wont do anything "bad" to your car, but it'll make your car breath better if you went in order.
I would make it breath in a little better first, than help it breath out (intake/exhaust first) Stage one?
Than help it take really it take deep breaths after that (intake manifold/header) ... stage 2?
now catback exhaust or axleback... i never had a axelback so i cant help you there, but when your going NA a catback exhaust doesnt give you alot of gains. It could even have you loose tq due to the lose of back presssure. If your going turbo in the future you really should go catback, but if you know yoru not going exhaust and yoru staying all motor, probly stick with axleback... ralliarts get small gains in exhaust work, it only helps the motor breath better, like i said...
Now the hole analogy i used between lungs and motors isnt 100% accurate, but its a good way to expain it to somebody who has no idea about cars, its how i explain this crap to my gf and she understands it perfect now .
Regardless, the underdrive pulley is a GREAT mod, dont effect airflow, and in a 30 minute bolt on you get 7whp and 9 lbs of tq dyno proven!
I would make it breath in a little better first, than help it breath out (intake/exhaust first) Stage one?
Than help it take really it take deep breaths after that (intake manifold/header) ... stage 2?
now catback exhaust or axleback... i never had a axelback so i cant help you there, but when your going NA a catback exhaust doesnt give you alot of gains. It could even have you loose tq due to the lose of back presssure. If your going turbo in the future you really should go catback, but if you know yoru not going exhaust and yoru staying all motor, probly stick with axleback... ralliarts get small gains in exhaust work, it only helps the motor breath better, like i said...
Now the hole analogy i used between lungs and motors isnt 100% accurate, but its a good way to expain it to somebody who has no idea about cars, its how i explain this crap to my gf and she understands it perfect now .
Regardless, the underdrive pulley is a GREAT mod, dont effect airflow, and in a 30 minute bolt on you get 7whp and 9 lbs of tq dyno proven!
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i have the intake,
the udp,
a short throw kit.
but now i have been looking at those headers if i ever go turbo...
and i fear i might just be burning cash if i get these headers and downpipe if im gonna go turbo later...
i just dunno guys...
the udp,
a short throw kit.
but now i have been looking at those headers if i ever go turbo...
and i fear i might just be burning cash if i get these headers and downpipe if im gonna go turbo later...
i just dunno guys...
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inthat case, if you know for a fact your going turbo, get a catback exhaust and/or intake manifold...
Not to mention you can always resale everything on THIS website and get more than 50% on. (isnt this already being discussed on a current thread. lol)
Not to mention you can always resale everything on THIS website and get more than 50% on. (isnt this already being discussed on a current thread. lol)
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What do you currently have on your car??? air flow mods such as intake, headers, exhaust and manifolds are 'complimentary mods" which meann they work better together. Think of your car as a human behing breathing. The intake allowed you to make bigger breaths, the intake manifold and head allowed you to have bigger lungs to hold the air, and the header and exhaust allowed you to breath the air out better. Now if you have just the header, you will get some gains, but you will be breathing out faster than your breathing in, so the air flow isnt as good as it could be. Now breath just like i desribed, take a small, normal breath in, but breath really hard and fast out... uncomfortable huh??? if you do it over and over again it'll make you weeze and get outta breath??? Now it wont do anything "bad" to your car, but it'll make your car breath better if you went in order.
I would make it breath in a little better first, than help it breath out (intake/exhaust first) Stage one?
Than help it take really it take deep breaths after that (intake manifold/header) ... stage 2?
now catback exhaust or axleback... i never had a axelback so i cant help you there, but when your going NA a catback exhaust doesnt give you alot of gains. It could even have you loose tq due to the lose of back presssure. If your going turbo in the future you really should go catback, but if you know yoru not going exhaust and yoru staying all motor, probly stick with axleback... ralliarts get small gains in exhaust work, it only helps the motor breath better, like i said...
Now the hole analogy i used between lungs and motors isnt 100% accurate, but its a good way to expain it to somebody who has no idea about cars, its how i explain this crap to my gf and she understands it perfect now .
Regardless, the underdrive pulley is a GREAT mod, dont effect airflow, and in a 30 minute bolt on you get 7whp and 9 lbs of tq dyno proven!
I would make it breath in a little better first, than help it breath out (intake/exhaust first) Stage one?
Than help it take really it take deep breaths after that (intake manifold/header) ... stage 2?
now catback exhaust or axleback... i never had a axelback so i cant help you there, but when your going NA a catback exhaust doesnt give you alot of gains. It could even have you loose tq due to the lose of back presssure. If your going turbo in the future you really should go catback, but if you know yoru not going exhaust and yoru staying all motor, probly stick with axleback... ralliarts get small gains in exhaust work, it only helps the motor breath better, like i said...
Now the hole analogy i used between lungs and motors isnt 100% accurate, but its a good way to expain it to somebody who has no idea about cars, its how i explain this crap to my gf and she understands it perfect now .
Regardless, the underdrive pulley is a GREAT mod, dont effect airflow, and in a 30 minute bolt on you get 7whp and 9 lbs of tq dyno proven!
wow...indeed i might have to use that analogy when talking to some people i know...they don't get jack about cars and its kinda impossible to explain my intake and exhaust but this actually might work!
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well i love my car.
do not get me wrong there.
but i am debating selling it next summer.
fixing the paint blenishes and what not first,
paying my loan off, and ill have my degree by then
(hopefully a better job too, but im doin ok)
and getting an evo. not a new one,
thining by then the evo IX's will have dropped in value
enough so that i can have my midlife crisis at 25.
i mean, what are student loans without a car payment next to them?
right?... right?
i still dont know though, cause i love the RA alot. and correct me if i am wrong,
but turboing the RA, and the 2 wheel distribution of power as opposed to 4... shoulnd the RA beat the evo?
i guess at this point im just asking for oppinions...?
fire away guys.
Evo or turbo the RA?
do not get me wrong there.
but i am debating selling it next summer.
fixing the paint blenishes and what not first,
paying my loan off, and ill have my degree by then
(hopefully a better job too, but im doin ok)
and getting an evo. not a new one,
thining by then the evo IX's will have dropped in value
enough so that i can have my midlife crisis at 25.
i mean, what are student loans without a car payment next to them?
right?... right?
i still dont know though, cause i love the RA alot. and correct me if i am wrong,
but turboing the RA, and the 2 wheel distribution of power as opposed to 4... shoulnd the RA beat the evo?
i guess at this point im just asking for oppinions...?
fire away guys.
Evo or turbo the RA?
There are a couple of facts you should consider :
1- Ra have a strong internals capable of 10 psi of turbo maybe more, EVOs capable of 22+psi on stock internals
2- Ra need a Good ECU in order to compensate for timing and fuel demand if going turbo, EVOs you can do that reflashing by U r self the stock ECU
3- Ra tranny is strong but in the end it's still a FWD even if you pay 1200+ for a LSD which I think it's not worth it you still have a FWD, EVOs are 4WD not easy to beat when you pass 500+HP
4- Ra stock suspension is nice and sporty, EVOs is almost the same but better quality
5- Ra brakes need to be upgraded and that will cost you around 500+, EVOs brakes are 4 piston calipers and are pretty good stockers.
6- Ra interiors are pretty much the same as the EVO with the exception of the steering wheel and the RECARO seats.
7- Ra parts availability is not good in terms of performance parts( I mean come on 4,300 for a turbo kit ) , you can buy performance parts for an EVO almost ANYWHERE
IMHO you get a lot more stuff for what you pay for on an EVO even when you buy it new
1- Ra have a strong internals capable of 10 psi of turbo maybe more, EVOs capable of 22+psi on stock internals
2- Ra need a Good ECU in order to compensate for timing and fuel demand if going turbo, EVOs you can do that reflashing by U r self the stock ECU
3- Ra tranny is strong but in the end it's still a FWD even if you pay 1200+ for a LSD which I think it's not worth it you still have a FWD, EVOs are 4WD not easy to beat when you pass 500+HP
4- Ra stock suspension is nice and sporty, EVOs is almost the same but better quality
5- Ra brakes need to be upgraded and that will cost you around 500+, EVOs brakes are 4 piston calipers and are pretty good stockers.
6- Ra interiors are pretty much the same as the EVO with the exception of the steering wheel and the RECARO seats.
7- Ra parts availability is not good in terms of performance parts( I mean come on 4,300 for a turbo kit ) , you can buy performance parts for an EVO almost ANYWHERE
IMHO you get a lot more stuff for what you pay for on an EVO even when you buy it new
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There are a couple of facts you should consider :
1- Ra have a strong internals capable of 10 psi of turbo maybe more, EVOs capable of 22+psi on stock internals
2- Ra need a Good ECU in order to compensate for timing and fuel demand if going turbo, EVOs you can do that reflashing by U r self the stock ECU
3- Ra tranny is strong but in the end it's still a FWD even if you pay 1200+ for a LSD which I think it's not worth it you still have a FWD, EVOs are 4WD not easy to beat when you pass 500+HP
4- Ra stock suspension is nice and sporty, EVOs is almost the same but better quality
5- Ra brakes need to be upgraded and that will cost you around 500+, EVOs brakes are 4 piston calipers and are pretty good stockers.
6- Ra interiors are pretty much the same as the EVO with the exception of the steering wheel and the RECARO seats.
7- Ra parts availability is not good in terms of performance parts( I mean come on 4,300 for a turbo kit ) , you can buy performance parts for an EVO almost ANYWHERE
IMHO you get a lot more stuff for what you pay for on an EVO even when you buy it new
1- Ra have a strong internals capable of 10 psi of turbo maybe more, EVOs capable of 22+psi on stock internals
2- Ra need a Good ECU in order to compensate for timing and fuel demand if going turbo, EVOs you can do that reflashing by U r self the stock ECU
3- Ra tranny is strong but in the end it's still a FWD even if you pay 1200+ for a LSD which I think it's not worth it you still have a FWD, EVOs are 4WD not easy to beat when you pass 500+HP
4- Ra stock suspension is nice and sporty, EVOs is almost the same but better quality
5- Ra brakes need to be upgraded and that will cost you around 500+, EVOs brakes are 4 piston calipers and are pretty good stockers.
6- Ra interiors are pretty much the same as the EVO with the exception of the steering wheel and the RECARO seats.
7- Ra parts availability is not good in terms of performance parts( I mean come on 4,300 for a turbo kit ) , you can buy performance parts for an EVO almost ANYWHERE
IMHO you get a lot more stuff for what you pay for on an EVO even when you buy it new
though when you say a NEW evo, remember the price tag that comes with that.
Im also talking 12 months from now.
and yeah, both cars are nice, but there is an obvious reason the evo is 10k more off the lot.
i like to plan these things out instead of going to a dealer and being like
"i want a blue one daddy!"
cause truth of the matter is i work hard for my money,
and my parents havent bought me anything since i was 15.
(i lied, dad bought me lunch yesterday)
do you think that by 2k8 the evo xi will have dropped enough in price to be a logical solution for my thirst for speed? or is it more practical to stay RA.
also, being 25 next summer, is a nice drop in Insurance... so i dont fear that as much.
I say go with the EVO the price will drop, I have the RA and turboed it and I can tell you it can go fast but you will end up paying more than an evo and never compare to it. It's just a personal choice
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you are probably right,
what i like about tinkering with the RA,
I have learned a buttload since i bought this car.
and for a 24 year old kid who just got out of the risk pool,
its not bad on the insurance or horsepower.
plus the problem with turboing it, i know next to zip about turbo,
and i would probably do something that would make the car go boom.
Im sure my mind will sway from now til then, many times.
but i think in the end you are right, i will probably go evo.
wonder what the prices will end up being on these evo ix's by next summer, bout 20?
what i like about tinkering with the RA,
I have learned a buttload since i bought this car.
and for a 24 year old kid who just got out of the risk pool,
its not bad on the insurance or horsepower.
plus the problem with turboing it, i know next to zip about turbo,
and i would probably do something that would make the car go boom.
Im sure my mind will sway from now til then, many times.
but i think in the end you are right, i will probably go evo.
wonder what the prices will end up being on these evo ix's by next summer, bout 20?
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prices won't go down that much what kind of speed do u really want!? u want a 300HP car? a 400 ? or 500 +? if u just have thirst for speed...why don't u buy an old cheap car with good aftermarket support to make easy 400 HP...I say stay with the RA the difference isn't enough brakes? u r not going circuit with it...tranny yeah lots of spin get good tires, lsd and learn to launch no good after 500hp he is right but after 500hp u should get something else...ecu!? for real power u always need ecu upgrade...even if u flash an evo ecu it's not the same as installing stand alone...so in the end is what u want and how much u want to spend...forget about kits too go custom u always get more $$$ for each HP u gain.
