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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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Ray laks + UPS = missed my appointment...
their guess on when the part would be here is between 11-2...
its now 12...
and it will take me at least 20 minutes to get to ray laks then home, about 10-15 just to get the nut set with an ok space on the adjustment...
put the engine back together than a nother 24 minutes to get to dan georger.

cross your fingers for me guys...
last available appt is 3pm...
(and friday they are booked)
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 09:18 AM
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/crosses fingers
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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well...
im just going to say this the best way i know how...



the tech was cool and let me watch him do the whole process,
and after i told him i had an after market UDP, he looked at me and said,
"let me give you the best advice you'll ever hear.
keep the ****en aftermarket, in the aftermarket."

to figure out tdc he took out sparkplug #1 and put a screw driver in it, until the the rocker was in propper place and the screwdriver had to be removed, and gave it a final turn.

he had slightly different specs, instead of .008 and .012 he
was to get .008 and .020 (or maybe im just stupid)

needless to say, it was a good 89$ to spend and talk to an old dude about my car.

before i left, he told me that this was the first mivec (pronounced it miv-ick)
he has to ever adjust the lash on...
and that the only time you should ever have to adjust the lash, is when there is wear...
and with these engines, there should not be any wear if you are using decent oil... not even synthetic... just as long as its not crap. Also that every 30000mi to check it is even a little ridiculous.

just some food for thought...

thanks to everyone that helped me out with all of this crap... car is washed and about to be waxed...
how different it feels getting out of a 98 VW Golf 8v 2.Slow and into the Lancer again...
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Joho22
the tech was cool and let me watch him do the whole process,
and after i told him i had an after market UDP, he looked at me and said,
"let me give you the best advice you'll ever hear.
keep the ****en aftermarket, in the aftermarket."
at his comment, and you shouldn't share your aftermarket parts with a dealership.

Originally Posted by Joho22
before i left, he told me that this was the first mivec (pronounced it miv-ick)
he has to ever adjust the lash on...
and that the only time you should ever have to adjust the lash, is when there is wear...
and with these engines, there should not be any wear if you are using decent oil... not even synthetic... just as long as its not crap. Also that every 30000mi to check it is even a little ridiculous.
Again, this guy is full of it. If that's the case, why have ALL of us seen such a drastic difference after adjusting our lash? I've run nothing but Mobil 1 full syn since the car was broken-in, and my lash was still off both times I've gone in to adjust it.

Remember, mechanics are mechanics, not engineers. If the engineer who designed the engine says to check the lash every 30k, then check it every 30k.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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at his comment, and you shouldn't share your aftermarket parts with a dealership.



Again, this guy is full of it. If that's the case, why have ALL of us seen such a drastic difference after adjusting our lash? I've run nothing but Mobil 1 full syn since the car was broken-in, and my lash was still off both times I've gone in to adjust it.

Remember, mechanics are mechanics, not engineers. If the engineer who designed the engine says to check the lash every 30k, then check it every 30k.
I agree,
i was just passing along the info that was bestowed upon me.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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as usual ( maybe not in your case thoughj I'm really sorry man, I just can't help it) it's better to do it yourself because the people you take it to don't know what they are talking about. at almost all people in any kind of retail customer level jobs. you pretty much HAVE to talk to the engineers to get correct information nowadays.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 03:43 PM
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Joho--can you get a video of your car in motion? Just to put our minds at ease? it's like watching a climatic horror without having a good letdown.. comeon man!
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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Who you going to believe a tech with 30 years experiance or the clowns on EVOM?
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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yeah man, you gotta believe everything you hear, not everything you read I suppose because someone who does a masters thesis on a subject can be considered an expert because they've only researched it for a few years

I'm not sure I follow your line of thinking.

Here's an example of my thought process:

I had to call HP tech support about an all in one machine. the "tech" that answered started walking me through all the steps I had already taken, so rather than do it all over I continued to work on the problem myself. By the time he got halfway to were I called him I had solved the problem, and told him as much. He was utterly amazed, and a little perturbed when I told him that I hadn't been doing anything he was telling me. He asked me to describe the process I took, and asked what files were an issue. After I got done explaining it to him, he asked me if I would repeat everything, including my original issue and initial steps, to his supervisor.

So basically, everywhere I go, muffler shops, dealerships, computer stores, it doesn't matter really, everyone seems to only know limited information, or incorrect information. You can trust the guy who has thiry years of experience if you want, but our engine is only three years old, four if you count time in development. I've done the research, and did my own adjustment, and I can absolutely guarantee there is a difference afterwards as anyone who has done this will tell you.

Thirty years doesn't mean squat in ANY technology based industry. I have a friend who is 50 that has a degree in electrical engineering and a degree in software engineering, and he still asks me questions about computers. Now woodworking or metal, yeah trust the experience.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 04:36 PM
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ooooooh pwnd


j/k man, but that all came out real easy and I'm gloating.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 04:44 PM
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I think it's just a matter of finding multiple sources of information, then deducing what is correct. If you put all your trust into one source, whether it be "clowns" on a forum, a mechanic with admittedly limited experience on the engine, or the service manual; if something is incorrect, you won't know it until it's too late.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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good point otter, that's exactly how you should draw conclusions. but the mechanic stated his NON-experience with the engine and I doubt he took it upon himself to do the research. I would imagine he is very good at what he does know, that is usually the case after doing it for thirty years. I would also guess that's how he was able to successfully complete this project when joho22 couldn't.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DangerousDan
good point otter, that's exactly how you should draw conclusions. but the mechanic stated his NON-experience with the engine and I doubt he took it upon himself to do the research. I would imagine he is very good at what he does know, that is usually the case after doing it for thirty years. I would also guess that's how he was able to successfully complete this project when joho22 couldn't.
+1 mechanic


and so everyone knows,
my error was 2 fold,

1, wasnt at TDC... joes pulley strikes again

2, according to him my specs on space was too far off.

so i did 90% of the work right,
problem is if were not perfectly at TDC all is a waste of time.

i dont care anymore guys,
its done. i have my black beauty back,
and i need to find a honda to laugh at in my rearview.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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Good job Joho22! You've been through a lot and you took it well man! You found the best way to learn--by doing it!

+1 Joho22
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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the hp tech is some guy in India making min India wage like 1/4 us wage with no training and prob doesn't own a puter. I know software engs myself but they're not windows guys so your point is mute. if you want performance adjust valves yes, but really not needed for the car to run pretty darn good.

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