Increasing performance out of my 04 Ralliart
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Increasing performance out of my 04 Ralliart
Hello friends of the internet world. I've only posted one other time on this site so please forgive me if the post is in the wrong spot. I've had my 04 ralliart for a while now and it's definitely more fun to drive than my old truck, and faster too :P. But I want it to go faster! lol. I don't know where to start and I guess this post is just looking for some guidance? Things that you guys have done to your ralliarts that have increased the performance maybe? I'm just trying to learn things as I go along. I appreciate all the serious responses and also appreciate the time.
And like Cranswick said. You could turbo it and make about 300 hp. Forced induction is the best way to go to get hp numbers. You can buy all the expensive bolt ons you can find and you'll barely get any real hp increases. Forced induction is the best bang for your buck. Or nitrous. lol
You can build your own turbo kit for a few grand. Or find you a used supercharger kit and get it setup for a few grand. Either way you can make around 300 hp if you do it right.
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First, thank you for the replies! Second, I figured that turbo'ing would be a good route to take but like I said I'm just starting with this stuff so I don't really know how to do it myself... YET. I'm determined to learn though lol. The only turbo that I seemed to find was on RR. The 16g turbo. But 4.5k isn't exactly in the budget right now 
. ANy other ideas or places that I can maybe find one that will work for my car? I also didn't know that 4g69 could handle that much. I would be SUUUPER happy to get it as fast as stock evo/sti though. It would tide me over till I'm out of school and can upgrade to something else.
. ANy other ideas or places that I can maybe find one that will work for my car? I also didn't know that 4g69 could handle that much. I would be SUUUPER happy to get it as fast as stock evo/sti though. It would tide me over till I'm out of school and can upgrade to something else.
whoaAAAAHHH!!! hold the phone...ok, the roadrace turbo kit uses a knock-off Evo III 16g turbo...a clone. It's not even a genuine Mitsubishi heavy industries turbo.
Legit Evo III 16g - https://www.rtmracing.com/xcart/prod...at=1930&page=1
Not so legit - https://www.rtmracing.com/xcart/prod...at=1930&page=1
Now, it's not to say that the Chinese knock-off is garbage and doesn't work well, it's just that I could not bring myself, or talk someone into paying $4,500 for turbo kit that's built around a turbo that last year (prices went up) cost only $350 brand new in box on the retail market, and even less on ebay. Not to mention the engine management strategy for the turbo kit is so half-assed and outdated, it saddens me to think people are still buying it.
Not that I like to toot my own horn, but who doesn't once in a while. Have a look through my build thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...phase-2-a.html, and I challenge you to find anyone who built an equal or better system for less. Unfortunately due to a less than ideal turn of events, a much better turbo kit that was developed by the first guy to make stock ECU tuning available for this platform, never made it to the market...the kit was to be priced much lower than the RRM kit, but currently only two iterations of the kit exists. The modified prototype is on truthdweller's auto sportback, and the only existing production sample remains on OttRalliart05's car that was originally used to design it. both are members here.
unfortunately we don't have the luxury of cheap turbo conversion parts like the Honda world, so basically, you either fork out the coin for the ****ty RRM kit, or you piece together your own...You CAN buy just the RRM manifold (or even the RPW manifold), and used ANY DSM turbo, but you would need to have a downpipe made. Unfortunately both of those manifolds aregoing to cost you upwards of $600. The charge pipe can actually be done entirely without welding, but would have couplers up the wazoo. Alternatively, you can use stock Evo 8/9 charge piping and intercooler, which is the route a lot of Lancer owners choose. I also made this thread, https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...-manifold.html which is linked in my build, but easy to miss. If I did it again I would change the design of the manifold, and someday I may still build a jig around mine, and make a more efficient design. If you're really serious about this, then myself and a few other guys can help you out, but the majority of people that say they're going to turbo their car, never do.
Legit Evo III 16g - https://www.rtmracing.com/xcart/prod...at=1930&page=1
Not so legit - https://www.rtmracing.com/xcart/prod...at=1930&page=1
Now, it's not to say that the Chinese knock-off is garbage and doesn't work well, it's just that I could not bring myself, or talk someone into paying $4,500 for turbo kit that's built around a turbo that last year (prices went up) cost only $350 brand new in box on the retail market, and even less on ebay. Not to mention the engine management strategy for the turbo kit is so half-assed and outdated, it saddens me to think people are still buying it.
Not that I like to toot my own horn, but who doesn't once in a while. Have a look through my build thread https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...phase-2-a.html, and I challenge you to find anyone who built an equal or better system for less. Unfortunately due to a less than ideal turn of events, a much better turbo kit that was developed by the first guy to make stock ECU tuning available for this platform, never made it to the market...the kit was to be priced much lower than the RRM kit, but currently only two iterations of the kit exists. The modified prototype is on truthdweller's auto sportback, and the only existing production sample remains on OttRalliart05's car that was originally used to design it. both are members here.
unfortunately we don't have the luxury of cheap turbo conversion parts like the Honda world, so basically, you either fork out the coin for the ****ty RRM kit, or you piece together your own...You CAN buy just the RRM manifold (or even the RPW manifold), and used ANY DSM turbo, but you would need to have a downpipe made. Unfortunately both of those manifolds aregoing to cost you upwards of $600. The charge pipe can actually be done entirely without welding, but would have couplers up the wazoo. Alternatively, you can use stock Evo 8/9 charge piping and intercooler, which is the route a lot of Lancer owners choose. I also made this thread, https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...-manifold.html which is linked in my build, but easy to miss. If I did it again I would change the design of the manifold, and someday I may still build a jig around mine, and make a more efficient design. If you're really serious about this, then myself and a few other guys can help you out, but the majority of people that say they're going to turbo their car, never do.
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This sounds like a pain haha. Like I said I'm just getting started into this and it kind of sucks that we don't have easy access to turbos like other makes do. I kind of figured that there weren't many premade turbo kits for my car because I only really found the RRM one. Ball park of what the cost might be if I pieced together my own? I have around 3g MAX to work with. I'm pretty serious about this though. I just don't know if I would have the means to do so (welding/mechanic skills). That's honestly the thing that worries me.
If your not confident with making or piecing together a turbo kit. The other option is to Supercharge the car. Get on youtube and search for "supercharged ralliart". You should find a couple videos of an RA. One is in the basic SC configurations, the second has a few more mods and a front mount intercooler added with a new pulley. On that video the car makes 308 hp.
You can find these kits used on Club3g and Club4g from time to time. Sometimes they will come with exactly what you need. Other times you'll have to find injectors, piping, blow off valve and such. But there is much less actual fabrication work required for that setup.
Ottralliart the guy Cranswick mentioned has actually used both methods.
Then of course you will need to tune your car. But we have a couple options for that now. So its not a big deal.
You can find these kits used on Club3g and Club4g from time to time. Sometimes they will come with exactly what you need. Other times you'll have to find injectors, piping, blow off valve and such. But there is much less actual fabrication work required for that setup.
Ottralliart the guy Cranswick mentioned has actually used both methods.
Then of course you will need to tune your car. But we have a couple options for that now. So its not a big deal.
This sounds like a pain haha. Like I said I'm just getting started into this and it kind of sucks that we don't have easy access to turbos like other makes do. I kind of figured that there weren't many premade turbo kits for my car because I only really found the RRM one. Ball park of what the cost might be if I pieced together my own? I have around 3g MAX to work with. I'm pretty serious about this though. I just don't know if I would have the means to do so (welding/mechanic skills). That's honestly the thing that worries me.
for tuning (engine management) plus dyno, factor in at least $600. that said, $2,400 IS a doable budget, and you don't need to know how to weld, but you DO need some technical skill...if you had/or borrowed an angle grinder, a heavy apron/face shield/gloves, a die grinder and a bench vise, you could do exactly what I did for next to nothing. (mind you I had the luxury of liquid cooled chop saws, and coping machines, I actually could have built a magnificent manifold in that place, but time was crucial) anyway, you could even buy something like this: http://www.rcautoworksstore.com/cut/...cae8296cab8aae for $200, and just stick a $35 4g69 flange on it. those are easy to find. and you would be able to make something like this:
when I was designing mine, I used a gas-less mig welder that I borrowed, to tack it all together before actually getting it welded...you could source the material for a log manifold for much less, but a collector is much more efficient...the log is confirmed to work, but energy gets lost.
you don't need a $1,500 turbo either...I personally am still convinced that knock-off turbos are not as good, not just because the low price, but I tend to trust OEM turbo makers that make turbochargers that are supposed to last a warranty period...I've been running a MHI big 16g (yes, there's small 16g, big 16g, and evo 1 2 and 3 16gs). point is, i paid $250 for it and it had VERY low mileage, albeit racing mileage, the shaft was tight. DSM turbos are EVERYWHERE, and they go for much less than what the evo guys want for theirs.
the rest of the stuff, is universal, I mean turbos are too, but you need to choose a turbo before you can design a manifold.
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for tuning (engine management) plus dyno, factor in at least $600. that said, $2,400 IS a doable budget, and you don't need to know how to weld, but you DO need some technical skill...if you had/or borrowed an angle grinder, a heavy apron/face shield/gloves, a die grinder and a bench vise, you could do exactly what I did for next to nothing. (mind you I had the luxury of liquid cooled chop saws, and coping machines, I actually could have built a magnificent manifold in that place, but time was crucial) anyway, you could even buy something like this: http://www.rcautoworksstore.com/cut/...cae8296cab8aae for $200, and just stick a $35 4g69 flange on it. those are easy to find. and you would be able to make something like this:
when I was designing mine, I used a gas-less mig welder that I borrowed, to tack it all together before actually getting it welded...you could source the material for a log manifold for much less, but a collector is much more efficient...the log is confirmed to work, but energy gets lost.
you don't need a $1,500 turbo either...I personally am still convinced that knock-off turbos are not as good, not just because the low price, but I tend to trust OEM turbo makers that make turbochargers that are supposed to last a warranty period...I've been running a MHI big 16g (yes, there's small 16g, big 16g, and evo 1 2 and 3 16gs). point is, i paid $250 for it and it had VERY low mileage, albeit racing mileage, the shaft was tight. DSM turbos are EVERYWHERE, and they go for much less than what the evo guys want for theirs.
the rest of the stuff, is universal, I mean turbos are too, but you need to choose a turbo before you can design a manifold.
when I was designing mine, I used a gas-less mig welder that I borrowed, to tack it all together before actually getting it welded...you could source the material for a log manifold for much less, but a collector is much more efficient...the log is confirmed to work, but energy gets lost.
you don't need a $1,500 turbo either...I personally am still convinced that knock-off turbos are not as good, not just because the low price, but I tend to trust OEM turbo makers that make turbochargers that are supposed to last a warranty period...I've been running a MHI big 16g (yes, there's small 16g, big 16g, and evo 1 2 and 3 16gs). point is, i paid $250 for it and it had VERY low mileage, albeit racing mileage, the shaft was tight. DSM turbos are EVERYWHERE, and they go for much less than what the evo guys want for theirs.
the rest of the stuff, is universal, I mean turbos are too, but you need to choose a turbo before you can design a manifold.
it's too easy man...all it takes is a substantial commitment of time and money...there are people here to help you out along the way if you run into any problems
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