"Robevo your talking alot of smack for not knowing crap about what your talking about. You posted the question and your trying to answer not actually knowing the answer. Be an adult and say you don't know and let others post their findings for discussion whether right or wrong! "
so how you doing? you just did a same ...


i hope as an adult do you understand, what is really the different gearing means in the transmission?
Which is designed and tuned for less TQ, smaller wheels/yes it is a factor too/ Smaller turbo/less lag/ etc etc.

"Try this on for size...... is this not the SST tranny?"
just because it is an SST trany that is mean is a same?
So all the CVT's are the same????

" Its common knowledge that the engine is the same (oh accept the turbo/intake/manifold ect according to you) "
so it is a same??? according not only me. it is a common knowledge
, because the Mitsubishi stated as other tuners and tests.

"ps I see you drive a GSR and a Truck, neither of which has a SST"
there is reason , you believe it or not
i need more info about this, why it is relevant here?


"Application is frontwheel/Allwheel drive vehicals and Suv's (outlander?)"
the outlander use the CVT.

 

the RA will do that.
i think will be easy to go up close to 320-330 whp.
But the trick will come after that. that is the line where the RA so the MR will have a problem looks like it.
From there you need to upgrade the tranny which is usually very costly even with the MT. So just imagine for the SST.

Real problem is : with only intake - TBE and the 4B11T X engine, you basically can exceed the 320 margin./you will not the RA 4B11T/ Because those minor differences which are makes it a different 4B11T.
But you think they are the same.

the RA will be a great street warrior in mid level, and the better DD then an EVo.
But do not think will do better both world. I getting closer to get a RA everyday as a DD.
But i need to see things better. I really have doubts about the RA SST. Sorry.
And yes i drove it many times.
So that level of modification is can be achieved less then $3 k. SO many will do that.
And then you WILL stretch the SST limits in the X. And how the RA SST will react for that raise?
THe X SST is at FACTORY wtq and whp level is over heating. To achive the over heating, is enough, if you do a spirited mountain drive, not even racing.
So keep it mind there is more then tq holding capacity, tune, gearing . And even the Evo X SST which is designed for racing , got those issues, you think the RA will not or will do a same ?

 

Listen...

All sources have said it's the same transmission as the MR with different 5/6 gears. They've also said the engine is the exact same with a single scroll turbo.

Can we please let the car to be explored before making assumptions?

 

Well put -- I'd add that the smart 2009 Lancer Ralliart owners will hold off for a bit and let others explore what the limits are, especially with the TC-SST in the MR & Ralliart being so new. It's very possible that there will be many replacement/warranty issues with the transmission over the next year or two -- who really knows for sure at this stage?

 

i do . but you have to listen too.
how could be a same if the gears are different? the biggest thing about the transmission is the gearing.And an ecu driven tranny the map is just as important too, and that is not a same too.
Do you actually want to understand the concept of it? if not then its a same SST.
And you will see later what i try to tell you.

same engine .. same long block at most.
the difference is not only the single scroll turbo, but even then right there is a difference.
Or i miss understand the meaning being same and similar.

 

only reason i try to put into some guys mind is exactly that.
The MR SST have problems already, and that is at least tuned to hold higher WTQ etc.
So the RA SST ... who knows? does it actually have a same oil cooler?
Also the engine. The IC set up and the turbo etc. is an uncharted territory yet. If you wanna be a test mule go ahead, but dont talkabout it like you know it will do this and that.
Some guys maybe will go after you and do some damage on they car because they where miss informed.
Wait a little and you will not regret it. i would say at least a 3 months after the first RA will hit a track and start racing. Than you might have a better view on this whole tune thing in the RA.

 

Yes Robevo I agree the RA SST will be stretched to the same limitations as the MR. I still think they are essentially built the same but the MR puts more power through it which of course is going to cause more heat issues. So yep until you get an RA to test with we'll have to wait and see what the out come is!
cheers

ps my point about the 'what you drive' dig was your talking like you know everything about the SST particularly regarding an RA, but you don't own one? which I do. and my back ground specialty is in the Powertrain industry. Not that I know everything about it which I don't, but I have a pretty good idea what IS going on in it. Peace! Don't worry about it, was just feeling hot on your response the other day. Let see what others have found out and go from there!

 

The heating issue for me is the biggest problem, there's no using adding more power if the car is going to go into limp mode every time you step on it. Supposedly Mitsubishi is coming up with a fix which is a good move on their part.

 

Heat is the enemy of any transmission. If you drive with SST you will quickly see how it could build heat.

 

I think it's also because of the small size of the clutch packs used in the transmission, they simply can't dissipate heat the effectively.

 

Agreed! Kinda makes sense if you really want a road and track warrior mitsu then buy the GSR. for everyone else who wants to 'feel' like they are a road warrior.... aaahem... including myself then buy the RA or MR and do the minimal upgrades to give it the little edge over factory we all desire. And Drive it for what it is, a fun paddle shift car. If you Must have the warrior and paddles, go buy the Ferrari or Lambo or something like it.

 

Then state your sources. We know its got a different turbo, do you care to share with the rest of us what YOU feel is different?

 

Yes, the tranny is intensly compact. Those clutch plates are right next to each. ( inches or less )

 

He said long block which means he thinks that the engine itself (block and head) are identical. Since the turbo is not the same, you cannot say the entire engine (if you include parts attached to the engine in that category) is the same. It's possible that the intake manifold is slightly different, or the cams, or the exhaust mani, etc.

 

I wasn't including the turbo, obviously. It sounded, to me, like he was saying he thought something internally was different. And if that's what he meant then i'd like to see sources.