about the airflow, one more comment. the single scroll is not that efficent then the twin. I'm sure you know that. And top of the size difference.

So the X tubo will be a very good upgrade for the RA. BUT , how the tranny will handle it?

 

I don't understand, why would there even be a concern for the SST? it's the same on in the Evo X MR! aside from a taller 5-6 gear of course. Are you speculating that maybe the applied pressure on the clutches is lower perhaps from programing in the RA? I don't think anyone proved or dis-proved yet? I think TTP got their RA recently. Maybe they have some insight now??

 

the gearing is different. and does have less option for "race" mode.It is a bigger issue then most people think.
That is already two differences . We dont know the official holding capacity.
So there is many unanswered question.
So the RA tranny is not a same as the MR SST. Period.
Just because its share the same base. How could be a same if it a gearing different? The Tranny ECU set up is different?

I mean how could be a same two tranny with different gearing and ecu tune?
Why this is even a question?

In that matter all the 4B11 is a same since they all have the same name right?

 

WTF ....

Its the same part adjusted slightly differently. Everything you said above is BS logic. Maybe if you had questionsed that the clutch plates were of diferent material as the X, or the taller gears, when at WOT, puts too much strain on the casing / bearings,

Screw the ECU, that can be flashed / reprogrammed.
Screw the "Race Mode" as preset on the X. If you cant get that on an RA then that just means you wont put as much force on the clutch when engaging.

I would bet you could swap out the SST ECU in an RA with an X's and it would work instantly and give you S-Sport mode. These cars are Legos.

 

"Everything you said above is BS logic."
well your logic is defenietly destroyed mine here.


the clutch dont have to be a different material to hold less or more.... its a claping force are more important.
the gears are taller not just in WOT... or actually i dont even know what you mean by that? gears are different in WOT in the RA tranny.?

if you dont rev it higher, then how you will launch it with bigger turbo ? do you understand this ?
Also if it doesnt have a launch program with bigger turbo you might be even slower from dig. Also if the rpm falls too much because the taller gears and designed for smaller /less lag/ turbo , you might fall into the turbo whole with bigger turbo.
screw you ECU comment , might will back fire and the ECU will say screw you...

"same part adjusted slightly differntly" is usually makes a night and day difference in racing.
just make sure you remember that.

 

Offical word from J-ROD at Buschur Racing:
As of right now I know the exhaust will work. I think the FMIC will as well but no 100%.
I have a Ralliart coming in for test fitment, pics and product development. We will have a full line up of parts for that as well pretty soon. J
Jarrod Barnett
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this is the email I recieved from J-Rod at Buschur Racing NO B.S.

 

Robevo your talking alot of smack for not knowing crap about what your talking about. You posted the question and your trying to answer not actually knowing the answer. Be an adult and say you don't know and let others post their findings for discussion whether right or wrong! Its common knowledge that the engine is the same (oh accept the turbo/intake/manifold ect according to you) which is the same as the SST is the same in the RA and Evo accept......gear ratio of 5/6. Yes it's a 4b11 and yes it's a 6spSST in each of them. With out stretching too far is it not realistic to say that they have the same torque rating regardless? minus the fact that, yes the gear ratio is slightly different and it's bolted to the same engine as the evo just detuned ect ect...... which is what everyone is really wanting to know

Try this on for size...... is this not the SST tranny? http://getrag.de/en/234

Application is frontwheel/Allwheel drive vehicals and Suv's (outlander?)

ps I see you drive a GSR and a Truck, neither of which has a SST......

 

Actually it's not known that the engines are completely identical, on the outside that does appear so but there could be minor differences (pistons, rods, valvetrain) that no one has encountered yet. Same goes with the transmission. Something to consider, the drivetrain between the two cars are different, the Evo X uses the Evo X drivetrain while the Ralliart uses the drivetrain from the IX. What effect if any does this have on the transmission?
Even Mitsubishi says that the Ralliart is not a detuned Evo but rather a hopped up Lancer.
I don't think the Outlander is the SST transmission, my understanding is it uses a CVT transmission.

 

I'm with you on that, (swap or reprogram the parts!) I'll bet it's just a matter of telling the tranny to apply more pressure at a given time (launch control) It would not make sense for cost wise for Mitsu to have two differently constructed transmissions being built. Why do you think it's not an option but to HAVE it in the RA. Mitsu had to pump those trannys out like crazy to cover the cost of R&D. Shear volume..... its' the same tranny I think..... anyone else?

 

I highly doubt it's as easy as just a reflash, I can't see Mitsubishi making it that easy for people. Despite what people say, Mitsubishi does not build cars like Honda, it doesn't make them interchangeable or cross-compatible even in cases where it would seem they are. As an obvious example, the OZ Rally edition had a different bolt pattern than the ES. How does that make sense? I wouldn't be surprised if Mitsubishi purposely restricted the Ralliart so people are forced to either A. move to the MR or B. get into risky and expensive modifications thus dissuading most people.

 

You seem to have a bit of a head on your shoulders,
Good point with the drivetrain differences, but an adapter plate of such or a detachable housing would fix that. This has been done for decades on vehicals that share engine transmission configurations depending on model and trim levels especially in domestics

what do you think about these two trannys? RA and EVO? or totally different application? only difference I can find is shafts and ratios...

http://getrag.de/en/234
http://getrag.de/en/232

This is information I've sourced from this thread in the Evo area. No one really knew which one it was but it was thought that it was the 470nm model for the evo mr

 

True it likely wont be an 'easy reflash' but I bet it's gonna happen. Mitsu would not say it's a detuned Evo for obvious marketing reasons. Regardless, Like the WRX and STI there will be questions on what you can do with what, but then again that's the whole point of why we enthusiasts (some crazyer than others) are yapping about it!

 

True, I suspect all they did was change the driveshaft so that it could mount to the transmission and the older diff/transfer case.
I suspect that the two transmissions are very similar but whether it's possible to get the Ralliart transmission to perform like the MR transmission is unknown. Something to keep in mind, if you mod the transmission, your warranty is completely gone, no questions asked.

 

Well if the WRX to STI relationship is anything to go by, if you want an MR, you need to buy the MR. To turn a WRX into an STI costs more than the MSRP difference between the two cars. The same likely applies to the Ralliart. There are many expensive things that differentiate the two cars.

 

agreed! but its sure fun to see what you can do with each of the platforms no? I didn't want an evo, mines a daily driver not a daily track car. but a few more ponys and alittle tweeking sure makes it alot more enjoyable!