09 RA for first vehicle
My problem with amby is that he writes arrogrant and rude comments and thinks he knows everything about the ralliart 09 when he doesn't even own one. Hes discouraging people from buying the ralliart on a mitsubishi network.
I'm not the only person hes attacked there are many others on this forum that will tell you.
Words like stupid and idiotic are considered FLAMING if you ask me it causes friction among the community and if it doesn't stop I will report it.
If you don't believe me go to the RA vs World forum where he keeps pissing on the ralliart and calls peoples comments idiotic.
If he doesn't have something nice to say then he doesn't have a right to say it. It is a rule on this forum not to say things in a degrading manner.
Thats all I have to say.
I'm not the only person hes attacked there are many others on this forum that will tell you.
Words like stupid and idiotic are considered FLAMING if you ask me it causes friction among the community and if it doesn't stop I will report it.
If you don't believe me go to the RA vs World forum where he keeps pissing on the ralliart and calls peoples comments idiotic.
If he doesn't have something nice to say then he doesn't have a right to say it. It is a rule on this forum not to say things in a degrading manner.
Thats all I have to say.
Stupid and idiotic are flaming if they are directed at someone, not at what they say. Street racing stories are blatantly against the rules so you really shouldn't be pushing that issue.
Yes, I said that comparing the Ralliart, a souped up econobox to a Corvette is stupid, because it is.
Last edited by ambystom01; Apr 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM.
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I think we need to all cool down a little, but this thread shouldn't just be locked. Whenever discussions become heated everyone wants to lock the thread, but thats usually when some good information gets shared.
To be honest, I have not seen a post where Amby has been really unfair to anyone. Blunt, yes, but certainly not unfair. The whole entire point of this section of evom is to discuss, argue, and share information. When people bring their feelings or wrong information into the discussion, they deserve to get called out. There is a difference between attacking people and attacking their points. Just because they are blunt and to the point when the disagree does not mean that they don't like you or are trying to hurt you. The spreading of false info is the plague of this forum.
Also, it's a little irritating when someone tells me that I'm beating a dead horse with my point and that it is repetitive. What is repetitive is the attacks I'm getting. Safety statistics, monetary costs, and most of all common sense are all on my side here. It doesn't make sense for an 18 year old preparing for college to own a 25k car. If that point is lost on you, it's not even worth it for me to explain why.
I'll share my example to further my point. I am 23. I just graduated from the U of Wisconsin- Madison last year. I am back in DC working. I have the option of going through with a ma/phd program. I had no idea I was interested in doing this until early this year. I had always thought I was going to law school. Now, If I had bought a 25k car when I was 18-20, I would have to worry about paying that off and getting a long term job instead of getting back into school so I can make real money and make my career coincide with my beliefs. The whole point of college is to find out where you are going; I don't want to take out a massive loan on a something like a car that essentially limits my options.
I think we need to all cool down a little, but this thread shouldn't just be locked. Whenever discussions become heated everyone wants to lock the thread, but thats usually when some good information gets shared.
To be honest, I have not seen a post where Amby has been really unfair to anyone. Blunt, yes, but certainly not unfair. The whole entire point of this section of evom is to discuss, argue, and share information. When people bring their feelings or wrong information into the discussion, they deserve to get called out. There is a difference between attacking people and attacking their points. Just because they are blunt and to the point when the disagree does not mean that they don't like you or are trying to hurt you. The spreading of false info is the plague of this forum.
Also, it's a little irritating when someone tells me that I'm beating a dead horse with my point and that it is repetitive. What is repetitive is the attacks I'm getting. Safety statistics, monetary costs, and most of all common sense are all on my side here. It doesn't make sense for an 18 year old preparing for college to own a 25k car. If that point is lost on you, it's not even worth it for me to explain why.
I'll share my example to further my point. I am 23. I just graduated from the U of Wisconsin- Madison last year. I am back in DC working. I have the option of going through with a ma/phd program. I had no idea I was interested in doing this until early this year. I had always thought I was going to law school. Now, If I had bought a 25k car when I was 18-20, I would have to worry about paying that off and getting a long term job instead of getting back into school so I can make real money and make my career coincide with my beliefs. The whole point of college is to find out where you are going; I don't want to take out a massive loan on a something like a car that essentially limits my options.
Because he hasn't said anything that was openly wrong or just terrible.
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I think we need to all cool down a little, but this thread shouldn't just be locked. Whenever discussions become heated everyone wants to lock the thread, but thats usually when some good information gets shared.
In my opinion, I had a car that was too fast and too powerful as my 2td car, and you know what? I miss it to this day. Get what you can afford; Get what you like. It's not about us. You have to spend years in it, so you may as well enjoy that time!
There really isn't any good information. This thread is all about opinion, and some have gone out of whack (and continue to do so).
In my opinion, I had a car that was too fast and too powerful as my 2td car, and you know what? I miss it to this day. Get what you can afford; Get what you like. It's not about us. You have to spend years in it, so you may as well enjoy that time!
In my opinion, I had a car that was too fast and too powerful as my 2td car, and you know what? I miss it to this day. Get what you can afford; Get what you like. It's not about us. You have to spend years in it, so you may as well enjoy that time!
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Oh cry me a ****ing river, I'm telling an 18 year old that a 40000$, 237 HP car isn't a good idea as a first vehicle. This has nothing to do with who makes the car, I would say exactly the same thing if he said he was considering a WRX, MS3, Cobalt SS, etc. You just have your three diamond goggles on so you can't see that.
Stupid and idiotic are flaming if they are directed at someone, not at what they say. Street racing stories are blatantly against the rules so you really shouldn't be pushing that issue.
Yes, I said that comparing the Ralliart, a souped up econobox to a Corvette is stupid, because it is.
Stupid and idiotic are flaming if they are directed at someone, not at what they say. Street racing stories are blatantly against the rules so you really shouldn't be pushing that issue.
Yes, I said that comparing the Ralliart, a souped up econobox to a Corvette is stupid, because it is.
Don't you listen to what the kid says!! He said moeny is not an issue so why are you making a comment about money. It has nothing to do about that.
Hes been driving for 2 years so he has experience.
maintenence costs big wooptie doo. Oil changes every three thousand miles and tire rotations. If something breaks down within the first five years it is covered under warrenty so why are you bringing these things up it is irrelevant to what info the kid wants.
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OP said the following in his opening thread
"Two days ago I was shopping around at different dealerships and came across the Ralliart (I had previous knowledge of the Evo, but not the RA) and I believe it would be a nice fit for me."
He even went to shopping and got dealer prices and hes still interested so whats the problem. I say go get it and post pics right after
"Two days ago I was shopping around at different dealerships and came across the Ralliart (I had previous knowledge of the Evo, but not the RA) and I believe it would be a nice fit for me."
He even went to shopping and got dealer prices and hes still interested so whats the problem. I say go get it and post pics right after
just my observation... the two people continually arguing their case for him not to get the RA, don't even own an RA, so 
almost everyone who has an RA would recommend it to anyone.
almost everyone who has an RA would recommend it to anyone.
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Hey guys,
Again, thanks for all the comments, seems we have quite a debate here.
I'm just going to add some more information to make the discussion a little less tense.
In regards to insurance, my father has agreed to place himself as the primary driver and me as the secondary driver to lower the insurance costs, as well, I have a driving school certificate still in effect making my insurance costs significantly lower. (This includes regular education and high speed emergency-maneuver education)
This may change the projected costs you guys are giving me.
Keep em coming.
Again, thanks for all the comments, seems we have quite a debate here.
I'm just going to add some more information to make the discussion a little less tense.
In regards to insurance, my father has agreed to place himself as the primary driver and me as the secondary driver to lower the insurance costs, as well, I have a driving school certificate still in effect making my insurance costs significantly lower. (This includes regular education and high speed emergency-maneuver education)
This may change the projected costs you guys are giving me.
Keep em coming.
Back on topic the Ralliart would make a pretty decent first car as AWD is probably the safest of all the configurations in harsh weather conditions. It's quick but not blazingly fast and there's nothing wrong with that as long as you obey your local traffic laws. Keep in mind that fuel economy will not be very good compared to econoboxes like Civics so you may want to factor in price of gas. The transmission alone is almost worth the price of admission IMO. I'm loving my MR.
Opinion can be good information, it all depends. So now you are going to tell me that statistics are the only kind of good information? By saying "simply opinion" it makes it sound like you are demoting the status of an opinion to useless or inevitable non-trustworthy information. Opinions are important, hence why people ask for advice. There can be good advice, and there can be bad advice. Am I missing something here?
ok amby, you need to stop acting like like the RA is some supercar. 237HP is not that fast in today's world. I am pretty sure if the OP is mature, he can handle the car just fine. It's got a decent interior, and great transmission, safety and AWD. Just because you didn't buy a car like this when you were younger, doesn't mean no one should. Hell, my first car was a TL Type S. I had an E46 M3 when I turned 17, and a 400+HP Evo 9 when I was 18, and now drive a pretty fast Evo X at 20. I've done a few stupid things(who hasn't), but its not like one is condemned to crash and burn if they get a performance oriented car at a young age. You can't clump all young people into one category. You have to assess everyone individually. Age doesn't matter as much as maturity and respect for the vehicles performance. If the OP has the money, has talked to his family, and truly believes he can handle the car, he should buy it.
This is extraneous, and if you had read the thread you would realize that I have a very good reason for not having an RA. People are consistently missing the point. The issue is not whether or not the RA is a good car. The issue is whether or not it's a good car for someone in that situation. I would not recommend my computer, tv, car, bike etc to anyone just because I liked it. I would recommend it only if it met their needs